Character from the Far East?

[Random Encounter]

Thanks Sounssy, I know about the fall one (got it bookmarked since forever) but anything extra is always welcomed

[Aldotsk]

Anyways, the Doma existed in FF6 with reference of Murakumo, Masamune (from FF13-2 knowledge) and samurai as a castle without machine and empire's influence. However FF14 does state that (I am pretty sure it does), Garleans have invaded Doma. Now, even if Cyan was not really holding Japanese name, he was a samurai and Doma guards were wearing Ninja outfit styles like Yugiri in FF14.

 

FF14's Tatami Mat also states in game that it is from Doma and also keep in mind that Tatami mats are all Japanese

 

"People hailing from the Far East claim that wishes written on small slips of parchment and tied to the bamboo will come true. (Magical wish parchment sold separately.)"

 

Now, the description above is Ornamental Bamboo for outdoor furnishing.

 

Open Hearth for furnishing item is also part of Japanese culture too.

 

 

I mean, the game furnishing does hint these items to exist as Japanese culture oriented in far east. It's really easy to assume that they may hold Japanese names and some may not.

 

Like Sounsyy said, despite that he/she is lore expert than any of us - I don't see what's really hurting any of us to roleplay as a character that we want.  There are plenty of new Roleplayers who have never done roleplaying and are trying out by making up their story to fit with 2.0's story mode given to them - or even any roleplayers who just want to enjoy what they want to do really. Can't really just brush everyone off and say that they are not good RPers. 

 

All aside, I think these items above have proven enough for Japanese culture to assume that they may have Japanese names. NPCs for Ninja characters have confirmed with the name of Oboro, and Tsubame. 

 

The names are Japanese. So people aren't just making it up, but it's a very accurate assumption and that their guesses have been much correct as of right now.

 

EDIT: SOUNSYY I WAS JUST TYPING TATAMI MAT THROUGH MY IPHONE ;-;

 

*chucks the phone across the Six Flags park*

[Sounsyy]

Update on Doma. It was, indeed, razed to the ground and is no more.

 

Courtesy of the MSQ "The Mother of Exiles" Journal text:

Lady Yugiri, the leader of the refugees, explains that her people have come to Eorzea in search of asylum. After their rebellion against the Empire failed, imperial forces set about razing their homeland of Doma, leaving them no choice but to flee.

[TheLastCandle]

Update on Doma. It was, indeed, razed to the ground and is no more.

 

Courtesy of the MSQ "The Mother of Exiles" Journal text:

Lady Yugiri, the leader of the refugees, explains that her people have come to Eorzea in search of asylum. After their rebellion against the Empire failed, imperial forces set about razing their homeland of Doma, leaving them no choice but to flee.

 

Damn that Kefka.

[Kage]

But Kefka poisoned Doma. Doma hasn't been poisoned just... well... >>

 

Inb4 Kefka working for Garlean Empire.

[Random Encounter]

White Raven was probably as close to Kefka as we'll see, in terms of mass slaughter.

[TheWizard]

I always felt it was safe to assume that the Othardian people from the Heavensturn event were from a city-state not yet controlled by Garlemald since why would they let emissaries out to Eorzea? Unless they were spies of course...

[Aldotsk]

I think some parts of Doma were conquered or at least some parts of Othard were razed and not everywhere else

[Merri]

I think some parts of Doma were conquered or at least some parts of Othard were razed and not everywhere else

 

Canonically, it's been established that essentially all of Othard has been conquered. As per the Rise and Fall of the White Raven,

 

Though it came at a heavy cost' date=' Othard was conquered, leaving the realm of Eorzea the only land on the Three Great Continents outside of Imperial control.[/quote']

 

This was all supposedly prior to the fall of Ala Mhigo, so Othard has been under Imperial control for some time now. Doma's resistance ended in the empire using a show of force to push the surrounding nations into submission, so that they too wouldn't rebel against Imperial control. That's why Doma was decimated.

[TheWizard]

Just gonna leave this here...

 

http://ffxiv-roleplayers.com/showthread.php?tid=8798

[Kamome]

I wanted to post a couple of helpful materials I came across while performing research for a Doman character concept and writing their RPC Library entry.

 

First, a really awesome list of Japanese bird names and their corresponding kanji expressions. There is a nice variety here if you are hoping to imitate the naming convention we see with the NPC characters Karasu [Crow] Redbeak and Tsubame [Swallow] Sunrise.

 

http://www.sibagu.com/notes/kanji.html

 

http://www.sibagu.com/notes/kanjia.html

 

Second, a quotation from the Ninja quest NPC, Oboro Moonrise, about the worship (or rather, non-worship) of The Twelve in Doma:

 

“My people do not worship your deities twelve. Our gods are all around us─in the trees, in the soil, in the crashing waters before you. Close your eyes and open your heart to the sound of the rushing falls, that you might purge your mind of all worldly thoughts and distractions.”

 

It was very sad to see the nay-saying and assumptions in this thread! Playing a character from Doma, Sharlayan, Garlemald or elsewhere aligns very well with the in-game character lore. Many NPCs describe the player character as a non-Eorzean. There is no need for every character to be a comprehensive expert on their homeland, and I can imagine many character types who would be nomadic or unaffiliated with a particular country, despite their origin.

 

Good luck to everyone with their future character writing. Hopefully further expansions and patches will give us deeper knowledge of the Near and Far East! Aht Urghan was, by far, my favorite expansion in FFXI and I miss the Near Eastern aesthetic and gear design (*swoon* Blue Mage) very, very much.

[Kamome]

Quick question--

 

Does the Echo still allow for adventurers to understand foreign languages? Is this still part of the lore or was it scrapped/1.0-only? Do most of you RP the Echo? I saw this was asked before in a much older thread, but wanted to get the current status.

 

I'm wondering because I'm getting ready to RP my main, who is a fairly fresh Doman immigrant (~2-3 months) and she would still be struggling with a new language. I want to begin RPing her tonight but this is the last thing I am stuck on. I might just have to tweak her backstory a bit and make her a less recent immigrant.

[Chris Ganale]

None of my characters have Echo, but if the 2.5 cutscene I watched yesterday is any indication, it still allows language comprehension because the player could understand an Ascian while Moenbryda could not.

[Warren Castille]

I'm wondering because I'm getting ready to RP my main, who is a fairly fresh Doman immigrant (~2-3 months) and she would still be struggling with a new language. I want to begin RPing her tonight but this is the last thing I am stuck on. I might just have to tweak her backstory a bit and make her a less recent immigrant.

 

There's actually a relatively good chance that your character would already be familiar with Eorzean Common as a language (or whatever they choose to call it). The Garleans seem to speak it, and trade with Othard/the rest of the world was commonplace until very recently. Domans certainly have their own language, or at least catalogue of words if the ninja quests are any indication, but there doesn't seem to be a hard language barrier in place.

 

As for the Echo, there are some who play it and some who don't. A lot of folks shy away from taking that sort of mantle for their RP, and there are plenty who feel they're the hero so it's not a big deal. You'll find folks in both camps.

[Sounsyy]

Quick question--

 

Does the Echo still allow for adventurers to understand foreign languages? Is this still part of the lore or was it scrapped/1.0-only? Do most of you RP the Echo? I saw this was asked before in a much older thread, but wanted to get the current status.

 

Per 1.0 lore, the Echo did not grant the ability to understand all languages to everyone. In fact, it seemed limited to a very select few. (ie. the Player Character and his/her Path Companion - NOT Minfilia) However, in 2.0 the Echo appears to grant everyone the ability of full-comprehension. (ie. the Player Character and Minfilia who may or may not be the only canon surviving Echo users.)

 

So either Minfilia learned to speak Sylphic and Ascian in the last five years, or there was a Retcon of Lore. So, you may freely choose which you feel further advances your story or character. I generally prefer 1.0's take on things, but I also cannot fault anyone who claims the Echo insta-grants them full auditory comprehension of all things as it is, as of today, technically canon lore now.

[Azureus Scipio]

To be honest, I don't think the Echo should be used in RP. as it gives people Metagaming capabilities, I'd rather my Domans be able to speak in Doman and not have every other RP'er understand it except oter Domans, and charatcers who have learned the Language.

 

That said, I do have 2 Doman characters who is looking for more Doman conections, the Ninja who is an Au Ra.. And my other Doman who I based of Shinto Priestesses

[Warren Castille]

To be honest, I don't think the Echo should be used in RP. as it gives people Metagaming capabilities, I'd rather my Domans be able to speak in Doman and not have every other RP'er understand it except oter Domans, and charatcers who have learned the Language.

 

That said, I do have 2 Doman characters who is looking for more Doman conections, the Ninja who is an Au Ra.. And my other Doman who I based of Shinto Priestesses

 

It's odd you'd bring up metagaming possibilities then immediately mention wanting a code that can only be understood by a very select few. As I wrote a few minutes ago, trade with the rest of the world only recently (Fall of Ala Mhigo? Roughly fifteen, twenty years ago?) cut off. I'd want it to be a two way street, if we're talking meta-gaming: If your character can speak two languages, so can anyone else. Traders, folks associated with mercantile goods, anyone who's simply well-traveled would have enough reason to know some useful words or general dialogue.

 

If you didn't mean for your post to come off that way, I apologize, but it reads to me like "It's only fun when I do it."

[Kamome]

Thanks to all of you--that makes things a lot more clear.

 

My character is something of a Doman country bumpkin, though her family were traders--but because the Ninja quest NPC's talk about the Doman language in the context of some select words and terms, maybe Garlemald has pushed for people to speak the common language or maybe Doman is just a somewhat archaic language now. I guess it's not really worth dwelling on too much? Especially with the kind of tacit plot-device the Echo has become, judging by what you said, Sounsyy. 

 

I'm not keen on explicitly RPing the echo or the MSQ at all, so I think I'll just go with Warren's point that there aren't really examples of language barriers, whether this is due to the player character's Echo or not. 

 

Thanks again--really wanted to sort that out in my head before hopping into my first Balmung RP. :3

[Azureus Scipio]

To be honest, I don't think the Echo should be used in RP. as it gives people Metagaming capabilities, I'd rather my Domans be able to speak in Doman and not have every other RP'er understand it except oter Domans, and charatcers who have learned the Language.

 

That said, I do have 2 Doman characters who is looking for more Doman conections, the Ninja who is an Au Ra.. And my other Doman who I based of Shinto Priestesses

 

It's odd you'd bring up metagaming possibilities then immediately mention wanting a code that can only be understood by a very select few. As I wrote a few minutes ago, trade with the rest of the world only recently (Fall of Ala Mhigo? Roughly fifteen, twenty years ago?) cut off. I'd want it to be a two way street, if we're talking meta-gaming: If your character can speak two languages, so can anyone else. Traders, folks associated with mercantile goods, anyone who's simply well-traveled would have enough reason to know some useful words or general dialogue.

 

If you didn't mean for your post to come off that way, I apologize, but it reads to me like "It's only fun when I do it."

 

Yeah, I could have worded it better I suppose.. What I'm trying to say is.. My Domans are (while not 100% fluent) have learned Eorzean from Traders, They also have Doman as their first language.

 

I do understand that Traders who do a lot of buissness with the east would have some comprehension in that language. But I'm pretty sure not every person from Aldenard would have learned the language. Which is what i'm trying to say.

 

People who RP with the echo probably don't number a few. I would rather people agree on suitable limits.. Like perhaps it could only translate people who are talking to the person with the Echo inparrticular or some such.

[Kamome]

That said, I do have 2 Doman characters who is looking for more Doman conections, the Ninja who is an Au Ra.. And my other Doman who I based of Shinto Priestesses

 

I would be careful RPing too closely to RL Shinto--even though it has been confirmed that Domans practice a religion very similar to Shinto, we still don't know anything about the organization of that religion. I'd also be careful RPing an Au Ra Doman, just because I'm assuming there is a reason Yugiri has to keep herself covered up even in the company of her Doman compatriots.

[Warren Castille]

Thanks to all of you--that makes things a lot more clear.

 

My character is something of a Doman country bumpkin--but because the Ninja quest NPC's talk about the Doman language in the context of some select words and terms, maybe Garlemald has pushed for people to speak the common language or maybe Doman is just a somewhat archaic language now. I guess it's not really worth dwelling on too much? Especially with the kind of tacit plot-device the Echo has become, judging by what you said, Sounsyy. 

 

I'm not keen on explicitly RPing the echo or the MSQ at all, so I think I'll just go with Warren's point that there aren't really examples of language barriers, whether this is due to the player character's Echo or not. 

 

Thanks again--really wanted to sort that out in my head before hopping into my first Balmung RP. :3

 

Well, I can elaborate a little on my reasoning for that. The Doman refugees who show up do so having survived the razing of their country. The ninja storyline makes it clear that there were those who were effectively The Resistance, but the characters in the Ninja quest don't have much in way of a written accent. It's... actually a rather fresh take after having completed the Rogue line, and those guys... Well, sure, they speak the same language as everyone else, but they were downright hard to understand.

 

The Ninja folks, though, they're very formal. Proper-like. While you get some bumpkin-ish dialogue from the refugees, everyone seems to be fairly understandable. Is this because of the Echo? Maybe, but the Echo doesn't grant you complete comprehension: Look at the Rogue quest again, or anyone you can talk to with a thick accent. It doesn't spit everything out without contractions or understanding, it just unlocks the Al Bhed dictionary allows us to communicate.

 

Anyway, the Doman Refugees. There would have had to have been some of the Resistance on board, right? Yugiri sort of implies she's part of it, if I remember correctly, and you'd expect the Resistance to be the sorts of people who would reject an outsider language. Yet, those who arrive already have a firm grasp on talking to you.

 

I'm just spitballing, really, but I think the words given to you during the Ninja quest are just that: words. I've got no problem accepting Doman as a language, and that people speak it, but I don't think the evidence is there for it to be completely spoken to the point of not knowing others. I'd liken it to Latin today, or similar. Maybe. I don't know. Gut feelings and whatnot.

[Azureus Scipio]

That said, I do have 2 Doman characters who is looking for more Doman conections, the Ninja who is an Au Ra.. And my other Doman who I based of Shinto Priestesses

 

I would be careful RPing too closely to RL Shinto--even though it has been confirmed that Domans practice a religion very similar to Shinto, we still don't know anything about the organization of that religion. I'd also be careful RPing an Au Ra Doman, just because I'm assuming there is a reason Yugiri has to keep herself covered up even in the company of her Doman compatriots.

 

Well, With the Shinto.. I'm keeping it very vague for that reason.

 

As with my Au Ra, he is using glamours and such to hide his appearence.

[Havoc Snow]

While it's realistic of course that other countries (and especially other continents) would speak another language, I think the only actual instance we see where another language is used is with Dragons who have their own words for certain things. The fact that not only the Player Character, but every other NPC in the game can speak with the Domans without any sort of language barrier either means that the Domans were exceptionally quick at picking up new languages, or everyone in the world just speaks Common, perhaps with various different dialects.

 

The only case where it is clearly stated that they speak another language, or are at least only able to be understood by people with the Echo are the Beast Tribes, but even that seems to have gone away completely in 2.0 as seen by the Beast Tribe dailies where regular people are capable of speaking with the Beastmen without the need for having the Echo.

[Kamome]

I think your assumptions are pretty solid, Warren. Also, yeah, just started the Rogue quests last night... I know what you mean, haha.

 

Good point about the Resistance. Also, Tsubame and Oboro say they are from a small village, too, and they (discounting the possibility of the Echo for now) speak with some seriously fluency/formality.

 

It seems to me, too, that Doman would be kind of archaic as Latin became over time--used for specialty purposes and referencing their own native arts and culture (as a colonized nation is wont to do). Purely speculation on my part, too, though.

 

My worries are assuaged, though. Yay! : D

[Havoc Snow]

I'm assuming there is a reason Yugiri has to keep herself covered up even in the company of her Doman compatriots.

 

She dresses that way for two reasons. One being an entirely game related design flaw, they introduced her long before they had a model to represent her, so they just used a Miqo'te female and slapped on a custom made set of gear and scaly tail to show she wasn't a Hyur. She more or less states the reason she dresses like that though is because it's customary for Ninjas, it has nothing to do with her race as some people here seem to believe... she has a freaking scaled tail and horns protruding through her hood, she isn't fooling anyone I don't care how Ninja she is.