The Vent Tent - Poor PuGs and Other Terrible Tales

[Manari]

I wasn't aware that was the LB etiquette now. I thought it was standard to wait until both level 1 and level 2 bars were full before using it on the last boss of a dungeon. I don't really read up on this kind of thing.

[Gegenji]

I wasn't aware that was the LB etiquette now.  I thought it was standard to wait until both level 1 and level 2 bars were full before using it on the last boss of a dungeon.  I don't really read up on this kind of thing.

 

I know you can usually bust out a LB on the first boss if you have enough charge (and even the second if you think you can build up enough before the final one), but I usually see people saving for dropping a two on the last boss as well. It's usually for melee DPS to pop, but I've seen my fair share of casters (and now BRDs and MCHs) that will "steal the glory" and pop it if the melee isn't doing it fast enough for their tastes. Or they just want to see their LB. I dunno.

[Dravus]

I had...the most bizarre run of The Vault yesterday. I pulled the first group of enemies and then, suddenly:

 

Healer: WTF!!!? tank why u wasting cooldown on trash????

Me: Rampart? It'll be ready for the next big group and then for the boss after that. I do it every run like this and there's never been a problem...

Healer: lol? only bad tanks need to use cooldowns on trash u only need flash

Me: No, I need to use my entire kit efficiently to put less strain on the group overall.

Healer: omg bye we cannot do last boss like this

Me: Safe travels! I hope you have a very pleasant day! 

 

At that point the healer 'disconnected' and once we'd gotten rid of her we got another healer instead. The run was smooth and we had no issues after that. At the end of the run the two DPS players admitted that felt intimidated trying out tanking because of players like the first healer and I ended up chatting with one of them and setting him up on his career to try out tanking for himself.

[Sylentmana]

I had...the most bizarre run of The Vault yesterday. I pulled the first group of enemies and then, suddenly:

 

Healer: WTF!!!? tank why u wasting cooldown on trash????

Me: Rampart? It'll be ready for the next big group and then for the boss after that. I do it every run like this and there's never been a problem...

Healer: lol? only bad tanks need to use cooldowns on trash u only need flash

Me: No, I need to use my entire kit efficiently to put less strain on the group overall.

Healer: omg bye we cannot do last boss like this

Me: Safe travels! I hope you have a very pleasant day! 

 

At that point the healer 'disconnected' and once we'd gotten rid of her we got another healer instead. The run was smooth and we had no issues after that. At the end of the run the two DPS players admitted that felt intimidated trying out tanking because of players like the first healer and I ended up chatting with one of them and setting him up on his career to try out tanking for himself.

 

I hear stories like this fairly often and it always makes me sad. We healers need to support our tanks. Healers and tanks work off each others synergy more than any other roles so I've always seen them as partners. Besides, as long as the tank is holding aggro, the healer shouldn't have anything to complain about. She was probably just looking for an excuse to leave.

[Jana]

I wasn't aware that was the LB etiquette now.  I thought it was standard to wait until both level 1 and level 2 bars were full before using it on the last boss of a dungeon.  I don't really read up on this kind of thing.

 

I know you can usually bust out a LB on the first boss if you have enough charge (and even the second if you think you can build up enough before the final one), but I usually see people saving for dropping a two on the last boss as well. It's usually for melee DPS to pop, but I've seen my fair share of casters (and now BRDs and MCHs) that will "steal the glory" and pop it if the melee isn't doing it fast enough for their tastes. Or they just want to see their LB. I dunno.

 

Building the LB bar depends on the group's iLv tii, it goes slower the better your gear us. So the only place I get mad about an aoe one being used over my melee one one is on the second boss of Neverreap... There are a few groups now who will prefer for a caster/ranged LB1 on a big trash pull instead since bosses should die just fine without it.

[Sin]

With the obvious exception of certain strategies like the aforementioned last pull in Wanderer's Palace.... USE THE LB!

 

Nothing bothers me more than staring at an unused full bar for the entire dungeon. It charges back up. Blow it on the first boss, blow it on the second, and blow it on the third.

 

Ask the melee to LB if he's not, do it yourself if there's no melee. Use it! Speed up that run, no need to hold on to it like its precious and we gotta take it to the last boss.

 

 

 

Also, sounds like you got trolled by a retard Graeham.

[I'nhalki]

My first time running Brayflox normal still makes me feel cringy. It was the first example of a true "speed run" I had seen. I was a Lv32/33 or so fresh WHM and had a WAR tank who began the dungeon by stating he was going to see if he could tank while drinking his coffee. We began and he pulled the first three groups--he died a small way in to the pull and began to berate me. Our NIN pointed out that he didn't have Defiance up. He laughed it off. The entire remainder of dungeon he continued his speed run pulls, ignoring his cool downs and relying on what I assumed he thought was gear that would carry him through on its own. He would stop every time I was drained of MP and point out how I couldn't keep up and we had to keep waiting on the healer. 

 

This run taught me, especially now that I main a tank, to be a lot more considerate of each individual party that I get. I always start out, much like Graeham did in the post above, by popping my cooldowns prodigiously during our first few trash pulls just to get a feel for how the healer is keeping up. I have found nothing to be more painful in this game so far than tank-healer animosity. There can be a lot of vitriol and cross-blaming. I'm sure my 'test the waters' tanking method has annoyed some groups who are looking for the blistering speed run every time, but I feel it's nice to keep in mind that there are new people left when you're running leveling roulette. Even higher level content, too, because someone may be returning after a long time.

[Enla]

I had...the most bizarre run of The Vault yesterday. I pulled the first group of enemies and then, suddenly:

 

Healer: WTF!!!? tank why u wasting cooldown on trash????

Me: Rampart? It'll be ready for the next big group and then for the boss after that. I do it every run like this and there's never been a problem...

Healer: lol? only bad tanks need to use cooldowns on trash u only need flash

Me: No, I need to use my entire kit efficiently to put less strain on the group overall.

Healer: omg bye we cannot do last boss like this

Me: Safe travels! I hope you have a very pleasant day! 

 

At that point the healer 'disconnected' and once we'd gotten rid of her we got another healer instead. The run was smooth and we had no issues after that. At the end of the run the two DPS players admitted that felt intimidated trying out tanking because of players like the first healer and I ended up chatting with one of them and setting him up on his career to try out tanking for himself.

 

I hear stories like this fairly often and it always makes me sad. We healers need to support our tanks. Healers and tanks work off each others synergy more than any other roles so I've always seen them as partners. Besides, as long as the tank is holding aggro, the healer shouldn't have anything to complain about. She was probably just looking for an excuse to leave.

Pretty much how I feel as well; though I usually have the opposite problem of tanks -not- using their cooldowns and making it very hard to survive even basic trash pulls if the rest of the party isn't up to snuff in the damage department. HW in particular was designed to be much harder than the instances from the base game and the attitude of 'lol I can handle it' really only ends up hurting people more than not.

 

Also a short mini rant that's several weeks late from the day it happened... Please for the love of god do NOT run to me if you have the bomb status in Fractal. That fight is hard enough as is with DPS who aren't firing on all cylinders and by forcing me to cure through a bomb blast it only ensures I probably won't have anything in the tank by the end. It's also the one fight where my esuna loves to glitch out on a regular basis, sometimes not even casting even though it reached the end of it's bar and the animation has finished. So there's a double reason -why- I don't want people running bombs to me; on top of the fact that sometimes the reason I'm not getting to it is that the tank or someone else just took a huge hit and needs a quick cast to survive. I see the status, I will get it off immediately. You're not helping by bringing it over to me.

[rainichan]

I generally try not to pug too much, mainly because I've had enough nasty groups that I tend to get anxiety flare-ups. I'm usually ok if I have people I know with me (1-2 others) but sometimes even then I get nasty people. Case in point:

 

When Caelia dinged 50, it was a time of "gear up enough to get the relic and move on up." I was high enough ilvl to run Lost City, and was using that to get out of my level 45-50 Wizard's gear (y'know, the stuff from the quests.) I had gotten the Darklight cowl and one of my friends had made rose gold accessories + Astrolabe for me to be able to pop into the dungeons that mattered to me. I decided I wanted to run Lost City again, husband joined me as the other dps. We get into the dungeon, and the healer immediately asks the tank if they can pull pretty big. Tank goes "sure!" and pulls the first two trash groups.

 

We wipe. Immediately it was on me, the blm, because I "wasn't doing enough damage" according to the healer. I shrugged it off and they pull again. I was quad-flaring, doing damage, doing more quad-flaring, we wipe again. The healer goes "I'm out of here, you have a bad black mage who can't do any freaking damage and can't play their class" and left after more berating I don't really care to remember, and some jabs from the tank as well. My husband finally goes "Hey tank, you wanna stop dying? You're ruining my dps." They try to do the "well things would be dying faster if the blm was doing their job right!" to which they got the response back "No, you're being an asshole because maybe if you were looking, you'd see she's still wearing her job quest equipment from levels 45 and 50. She can't do the damage you're looking for and instead you berate them for it? Really?" They said nothing more, and we left. It took me an hour to want to go back in. Husband tanked, and we went through two healers before we got one who stuck with the group (myself, mid-zeta husband tanking, and another fresh 50) since we weren't speed-running it.

 

The other time it was bad was when I was on my main trying to get my blm relic, on the Titan HM fight. We had two new healers healing it and a bitchy beyond belief tank who berated us every time we died. At the last time before we said eff it and left, the tank demanded we use the stack method for the weights. The only problem is that at the time, my connection was not that great and stacking was a bad idea for me (I couldn't ever get out in time because I was lagged out and I'd either be hurt badly or die.) I would stagger away from the group a little so one weight on me wouldn't kill me and it was instantly "Omg I'm going to votekick you, you're not listening you need to be stacking or are you too stupid to do that?!" I explained that no, I understood it but stacking was a bad method for me because lag. More berating, myself and the few FC members with me said "Nope, f you, we're out." and we left. Went back with a full party of FC members, cleared it in one go.

 

Recently though, it was only some slight passive aggressiveness that made me roll my eyes. I was in Sastasha as a level 15 conjurer, and regardless of actual level and gear, I know that things can go south pretty quick if a healer isn't on their A-game.  In the Babby's First Dungeons I'm not entirely keen on stance dancing too heavily because of the aforementioned fights going south, but I was going back and forth, turning off stance when the tank got to about half life, and then going back to doing my subpar dps when he was near topped off/full health (my comfort zone.) One of the dps only types ">.>" and then marks the tank as "Target to Ignore 1." I know exactly why they did it, and I couldn't care less about it. I kept up on what I was doing and didn't hear anything else. I wasn't just standing when I could be helping, but ultimately? Sorry, my comfort in how often the tank should be healed is priority. Every healer has a different comfort level, and sorry you don't like it? But don't be PA and just ">.>" and say nothing to me otherwise. Looked the dps up later and saw they had whm at 60, and went "Oh. No wonder." That's not the way you get people to do something you want, you ask first. It's probably why I'm not looking forward to actually leveling AST at this point despite wanting to.

 

tl;dr I don't like pugging if I can help it because on the off-chance I don't get some pretty fabulous people, they're Grade A Dicks that make me wish I could do dungeons by myself and get exp for it.

[Korin]

  and then marks the tank as "Target to Ignore 1." I know exactly why they did it, and I couldn't care less about it. I kept up on what I was doing and didn't hear anything else. I wasn't just standing when I could be helping, but ultimately? Sorry, my comfort in how often the tank should be healed is priority. Every healer has a different comfort level, and sorry you don't like it? But don't be PA and just ">.>" and say nothing to me otherwise. Looked the dps up later and saw they had whm at 60, and went "Oh. No wonder." That's not the way you get people to do something you want, you ask first. It's probably why I'm not looking forward to actually leveling AST at this point despite wanting to.

 

tl;dr I don't like pugging if I can help it because on the off-chance I don't get some pretty fabulous people, they're Grade A Dicks that make me wish I could do dungeons by myself and get exp for it.

 

I've been there, and it's one of the reasons I don't like to pug as a healer. To be honest your entire post shouted out as a "hnngh I hear you loud and clear, this is EXACTLY why I don't like to pug". I levelled WHM on Raeth for a little while, for stoneskin (he kinda hit 30 and then stopped, though...) but occasionally my desire to at least do that daily roulette on those classes tends to drop and I just stop doing it. Queueing as a DPS just to get...say, Cutter's Cry, and then everyone immediately leaves? Not all that pleasant.

 

I just wish I could underman content and still get exp. :v I don't want to hassle people for boosts, I just want to be able to slowly haul my poor healer friend through dungeons while I level my tank...Without having to worry about getting some of the worst, most ungrateful DPS players of the duty finder.

 

 

On the subject of people subtly marking things for you, though...I queued Levelling Roulette: Qarn on my warrior - I was feeling pretty good, I was confident that I could tank a roulette! On very rare occasions, these things happen! And since it was an easy enough dungeon, I had no enmity issues, and didn't bother marking the mobs. Usually I'd mark at least one, to make my life easier, but today I didn't need it! Fortunately, the DPS did focus down my target, for the most part. One of them didn't really bother, but it didn't matter - FOR I AM WARRIOR, HEAR ME ROAR. I felt very optimistic!

 

Later on in the dungeon, however, someone started marking a kill order. Not just an "I am attacking this target" mark - They were marking the entire pulls! I hadn't lost enmity once through the entire dungeon, it was an extremely smooth run, but...For whatever reason, they started marking mobs. Naturally, the other DPS...Completely ignored these marks anyway. No one questioned it. I was a little confused, because...Well, surely mob marking is what I should be doing, right? If I'm struggling to hold enmity, i'd like people to focus X target so I have an easier time, right? Whatever reason they had for marking them, it didn't really serve any purpose.

 

And eventually I pulled that "asshole pugtank" card and started de-marking them for my own pleasure, giggling to myself behind the screen. :c I'm probably no better...I'll just go and sit in the corner now.

 

But as a side note, one of my pet peeves is when people don't say hello when I greet them. ;; It's not that hard to say hi, is it? You're going to be spending the next 30 mins or so stuck in this dungeon with me! Say something, at least! *sobs*

[Gegenji]

But as a side note, one of my pet peeves is when people don't say hello when I greet them. ;; It's not that hard to say hi, is it? You're going to be spending the next 30 mins or so stuck in this dungeon with me! Say something, at least! *sobs*

 

I'm actually pretty bad about this, especially in my Expert roulette. I tend to go into "autopilot" in these things at this point - just going in and spamming heals (and then DPS on the bosses) to get towards my Eso cap for the week. If I have bad DPS, I don't really pay much attention as long as things die. If I have a bad tank, I grumble but do my best to keep them up while they ignore the Minotaur's swipes entirely in Fractal while still in mostly 58/59 gear. It's going through the motions for me at this point.

 

If I'm going with friends, or the party actually turns out to have a rather friendly person or two? Sure, I'll start chatting them up if I can between my heals and whatnot. Most of the time though, I'm dead silent and just looking to get in and out with as minimal headache as possible. :blush:

[ProvaDiServo]

But as a side note, one of my pet peeves is when people don't say hello when I greet them. ;; It's not that hard to say hi, is it? You're going to be spending the next 30 mins or so stuck in this dungeon with me! Say something, at least! *sobs*

 

I don't say hello back, I'm not really in duty finder to make friends.

 

I mean If I know you and recognize you I'll say "what's up" but otherwise nah.

[Korin]

But as a side note, one of my pet peeves is when people don't say hello when I greet them. ;; It's not that hard to say hi, is it? You're going to be spending the next 30 mins or so stuck in this dungeon with me! Say something, at least! *sobs*

 

I don't say hello back, I'm not really in duty finder to make friends.

 

I mean If I know you and recognize you I'll say "what's up" but otherwise nah.

 

I can understand people being in autopilot mode or whatever, but still...It can't hurt for some people to type...what, two letters? I don't get at them for it, because like I said - It's just a pet peeve! But when you're stood around in the entrance waiting for someone to load in/finish watching/skipping the opening cutscene/casting protect and whatnot...Eeeh. It doesn't take that much effort, right?

 

I suppose it just makes me feel a little sad. Most pug groups do bother to respond, so I guess I notice it more if I'm doing the entire dungeon in silence...Which isn't a problem in itself - Until people decide to vocalise, at last, when something hasn't gone their way. I find a little bit disappointing when people only really have bad things to contribute in that kind of situation.

 

Whether people speak in party or not doesn't make much of a difference to me in the end, I'll just keep stubbornly throwing my greetings at them regardless. I just feel like it makes it a bit easier to communicate later on - especially in a lowbie roulette - If something is going wrong. For me, at least!

[I'nhalki]

Playing on PS4, there are times I just want to lean back and not be hunched over my keyboard some evenings when I play, so I keep typed communication to a minimum and just use emotes. It's not too tough to use the controller keyboard, but it can be irritatingly slow. I would bet a lot of people who don't say hi in lowbie roulette dungeons are just lazy PS4 players like me! I always wave or /welcome, though.

[Kellach Woods]

Collectables.

 

That is all.

[Berrod Armstrong]

But as a side note, one of my pet peeves is when people don't say hello when I greet them. ;; It's not that hard to say hi, is it? You're going to be spending the next 30 mins or so stuck in this dungeon with me! Say something, at least! *sobs*

 

I don't say hello back, I'm not really in duty finder to make friends.

 

I mean If I know you and recognize you I'll say "what's up" but otherwise nah.

 

I can understand people being in autopilot mode or whatever, but still...It can't hurt for some people to type...what, two letters? I don't get at them for it, because like I said - It's just a pet peeve! But when you're stood around in the entrance waiting for someone to load in/finish watching/skipping the opening cutscene/casting protect and whatnot...Eeeh. It doesn't take that much effort, right?

 

I suppose it just makes me feel a little sad. Most pug groups do bother to respond, so I guess I notice it more if I'm doing the entire dungeon in silence...Which isn't a problem in itself - Until people decide to vocalise, at last, when something hasn't gone their way. I find a little bit disappointing when people only really have bad things to contribute in that kind of situation.

 

Whether people speak in party or not doesn't make much of a difference to me in the end, I'll just keep stubbornly throwing my greetings at them regardless. I just feel like it makes it a bit easier to communicate later on - especially in a lowbie roulette - If something is going wrong. For me, at least!

I tend to give a friendly hello in an attempt to set a friendly, lighthearted tone for the run. For me, seeing someone else do the same helps me to relate to them as a player behind the toon and makes the run less of a chore. It makes the mess ups a lot more tolerable too. Hell, even when I mess something up I type a little acknowledgement or apology. "Whoops, my bad, I didn't get out of that AoE in time," Or "Oh man sorry, I was totally tunneling." 

 

I've seen people complain when something goes wrong (myself included) at times, but how many of those people actually took the time to tell the group hello? Maybe I'm just old fashioned, I dunno.

[Spethah]

But as a side note, one of my pet peeves is when people don't say hello when I greet them. ;; It's not that hard to say hi, is it? You're going to be spending the next 30 mins or so stuck in this dungeon with me! Say something, at least! *sobs*

 

I don't talk to pugs in duty finder unless I have to explain mechanics. Why? Because it makes me less of a target when bad things happen, because most pugs don't yell at a brick wall. "But it's only 2 letters" means that I'm opening to conversation. 

 

I'm not here to talk and be friendly. 

 

I'm here to kick ass.

 

(Please note that it's not me being unfriendly and anti-social, I just prefer to get stuff done over having conversation. Plus I tend to mess up more when talking because I can't multi-task to even that degree. I don't care about the mood or atmosphere, saying nothing doesn't add or take away anything.)

[FreelanceWizard]

I tend to give a friendly hello in an attempt to set a friendly, lighthearted tone for the run. For me, seeing someone else do the same helps me to relate to them as a player behind the toon and makes the run less of a chore. It makes the mess ups a lot more tolerable too. Hell, even when I mess something up I type a little acknowledgement or apology. "Whoops, my bad, I didn't get out of that AoE in time," Or "Oh man sorry, I was totally tunneling." 

 

I've seen people complain when something goes wrong (myself included) at times, but how many of those people actually took the time to tell the group hello? Maybe I'm just old fashioned, I dunno.

 

I'm with you on this. I always say, "Hi! :)" when the instance loads up, and always thank everyone for the group when we finish. If someone says they're new, or if the game says someone is new, I'll welcome them and offer to explain mechanics, and I'll congratulate them on their first run at the end. If I screw something up, I take responsibility for it. I also bite my tongue instead of getting provoked when people are butts -- but that's pretty rare in my experience. I've got a few horror stories (some on this very thread!), but they're really quite few. Usually, my DF runs range from "fun and silly with everyone cracking jokes" to "quietly professional."

 

Perhaps what I do annoys people who'd rather treat fellow players like NPCs, but I like to think that chatting makes the game more enjoyable. It's a multiplayer game, after all, and if a bad pun or shared annoyance (seriously, Neverreap ) can brighten someone's day, I think it's worth it.

[Glacirus]

But as a side note, one of my pet peeves is when people don't say hello when I greet them. ;; It's not that hard to say hi, is it? You're going to be spending the next 30 mins or so stuck in this dungeon with me! Say something, at least! *sobs*

 

I don't talk to pugs in duty finder unless I have to explain mechanics. Why? Because it makes me less of a target when bad things happen, because most pugs don't yell at a brick wall. "But it's only 2 letters" means that I'm opening to conversation. 

 

I'm not here to talk and be friendly. 

 

I'm here to kick ass.

 

(Please note that it's not me being unfriendly and anti-social, I just prefer to get stuff done over having conversation. Plus I tend to mess up more when talking because I can't multi-task to even that degree. I don't care about the mood or atmosphere, saying nothing doesn't add or take away anything.)

 

As a healer, 100% the reason I don't open my mouth in PUGs. I get enough focus and hate from people who seem to think I should heal them when they're on the opposite end of the boss area and my spells don't reach. I don't want to draw extra attention to myself and get berated even more. I will say 'Hi' if everyone else in the group does (this way they don't go "O-holier-than-thou healer won't say hi? Jerk.") but after that, silence.

 

But like I said, even going silent people will bitch at me. Sunken Temple especially it seems. Every time I get Sunken Temple in roulette at least one person dies to Doom or the Wasps and bitches at me.

[rainichan]

  and then marks the tank as "Target to Ignore 1." I know exactly why they did it, and I couldn't care less about it. I kept up on what I was doing and didn't hear anything else. I wasn't just standing when I could be helping, but ultimately? Sorry, my comfort in how often the tank should be healed is priority. Every healer has a different comfort level, and sorry you don't like it? But don't be PA and just ">.>" and say nothing to me otherwise. Looked the dps up later and saw they had whm at 60, and went "Oh. No wonder." That's not the way you get people to do something you want, you ask first. It's probably why I'm not looking forward to actually leveling AST at this point despite wanting to.

 

tl;dr I don't like pugging if I can help it because on the off-chance I don't get some pretty fabulous people, they're Grade A Dicks that make me wish I could do dungeons by myself and get exp for it.

 

I've been there, and it's one of the reasons I don't like to pug as a healer. To be honest your entire post shouted out as a "hnngh I hear you loud and clear, this is EXACTLY why I don't like to pug". I levelled WHM on Raeth for a little while, for stoneskin (he kinda hit 30 and then stopped, though...) but occasionally my desire to at least do that daily roulette on those classes tends to drop and I just stop doing it. Queueing as a DPS just to get...say, Cutter's Cry, and then everyone immediately leaves? Not all that pleasant.

 

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But as a side note, one of my pet peeves is when people don't say hello when I greet them. ;; It's not that hard to say hi, is it? You're going to be spending the next 30 mins or so stuck in this dungeon with me! Say something, at least! *sobs*

 

If I pug for leveling I'll go in as dps mainly because it's easier and I don't have too many issues. We did a high level roulette with a pug with me tanking, got Snowcloak. I think I only really had issues on the yeti boss, but that was mainly because spriggans are jerks. I still got the commend, but I'm really "D: oh god what if I screw up augh" when I tank. I'm not very confident yet.

 

Your side not though, I do usually try to say hello! If only because I want to kind of be friendly, and if that's all that's said the entire dungeon, eh, that's fine. I've had dungeons where people were really nice and everyone talked the entire time (I ran a Sohm Al where we had the nicest party, everyone was friendly and talking and if someone leveled up or got a piece of gear, the tank would always go "yay congrats! :D") other times it's silence but that's fine too. I know some people will actually dole out their commends if you actually say hello or hi or heya at the beginning.

[Dat Oni]

I'm gonna paraphrase my rant from the chatroom, here, because you all need to hear it.

 

So, I just got through an instance where the sync'd dps could not fucking understand what "No Provoke" means. I'm at the final boss, Gyges the Great in Copperbell, so I try to aggro the bastard over to the first boulder so we can burn his ass, right? Why waste time on adds when we can skip the bastard?

 

Welp, my party was having none of it. The MNK and BLM and WHM refuse to stop attacking him and I get aggro ripped off instantly and can't get it back because all I have is savage blade and flash.

 

Yes I have Shield Toss, but that's irrelevant to the problem, which was regaining lost aggro. You simply do not Shield Toss a mob that's lost aggro. So I stand there flailing my aggro combo and flashing like a maniac the whole fight in desperation while the WHM decides to just healbot the idiot MNK who can't recognize that, when the boss is punching you, maybe you should hand over the damage to the guy who can actually take a punch?

 

And what do I get for my troubles? What's my reward as I leave the instance in a huff?

 

>[17:01](Anonymous) u had the LEAST ammount of aggro in that fight.

 

Fuck these people.

 

Their best critique of the tank who has no provoke and he must aggro, the fucking level 18 GLD with no Oaths, is "I'm gonna state the obvious and pretend you are at fault because you're the tank." I can't even say I'm not even mad, because I am, but rightfully so, as my apparent deal with the devil to get short queues requires I shepherd Hell's flock of raving psychos and idiots through a field of landmines and get whipped for it the whole time by the thankless morons.

 

You who I choose to keep anonymous, you assholes who made a simple run of Copperbell the worst thing in the world. To you I reserve the most heartfelt, sinister-sounding, pause-giving "Fuck you" I can muster. You all represent the worst things a Tank should not, from a moral/ethical standpoint, have to deal with, but does. I sincerely hope the next roulette each of you ends up in ends with all your asses being kicked within a few seconds. If it doesn't, there are people out there with a lot more patience than I, clearly.

 

 

 

Screw that, I found the guy to say it for me.

[Gharen]

so I try to aggro the bastard over to the first boulder so we can burn his ass, right?

 

This was your mistake. You don't need to move that boss anywhere to start, he'll do it on his own. The way threat works especially early game, if the tank doesn't establish agro early you -will- lose threat.

 

As DPS, If I manage to get the 1st couple of strikes on a mob before you do as the tank, your job just became that much more difficult. You'll spend the rest of your time fighting for hate or just scraping by.

 

Don't ever -expect- DPS to stop doing their thing just because you've lost hate, because they won't. Especially in a pugged group.

[Artigan]

I think pugs in general are just going to be a flip of the coin: healers slow in response, pre-hotting, dpsing when they should be healing, running away from the tank when they pull hate. Dps pulling, getting over zealous, not maximizing their damage (positional attacks), screwing up rotations, not reacting to aoes or boss mechanics. Tanks not using their enmity building tools beyond their three hit combo, refusing to use defensive cooldowns, being an all around prima donna with a huge sense of entitlement. But the number one problem is communication: failing to listen, failing to take constructive criticism, and the foul shit that comes out of some people just shuts it all down.

 

I'm still absolutely shocked at how some people are really bad at tab target games. Is the issue poor hand/eye coordination? Perhaps terrible short term memory? Anxiety? Literally I would love to know how players fuck up dungeons (not first time raiders or stepping first time into an extreme) but dungeons of all things.

[Kellach Woods]

The only good pug is a dog.

 

Remember that and all will be well.

[Khoure]

the first time I did a group thing as a tank was that beginner guilhest with the goobooe and a few trash enemies. Since it was an easy guild hest, all was well in the end.

 

But the thing was, I hadn't even learned overpower yet. That's at lvl 12. And all the people started attacking different enemies at once. They must have been new too, because everyone's first instinct was to apparently kite like mad. I didn't have any choice but to chase them. So it was just all of us running in circles like a bunch of idiots. This was literally all I could hear playing in my head. Pop culture has taught me well.

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