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Aduu Avagnar

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Aduu Avagnar

Aduu Avagnar

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I know the pets are cute and all, but why do people do it, given the stigma against the void. Obviously, evil characters I can understand doing it, and potentially out of ignorance, but otherwise... why would people risk it? voidsent is voidsent and most people with training would likely be told not to mess with it.

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Zael Aders

Zael Aders

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Let's see if I can put a few in a list...

 

  • People wanting power to overcome a foe (good or evil)
  • People wanting power after losing something/someone important (good or evil)
  • Someone being tricked into it (see Thaumaturge questline)
  • Inquisitive nature (usually a misguided good scholar/summoner)
  • People wanting to make a trade/gain knowledge (good or evil)
  • People trying to bring someone back to life (good or evil)

It generally tends to be that someone loses hope in their own strength to do whatever they're trying to do and end up relying on dark powers. Some might call it cliche, but as far as I'm concerned most cliches exist because they're generally true/probable. 

 

Hope this gives you some ideas!

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Kellach Woods

Kellach Woods

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Same reason why in folklore people make deals with the devil, or any other malevolent entity. Especially since the Necrologos has apparently been copied several times, losing none of its power (hence why you see it at almost every leve tier), making it "easy" for even non-magically inclined people to do.

 

Right now, I have Kell ridin' the Ahriman because it looks good on his glamour. It is, however, entirely OOC.

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Havoc Snow

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My own character made a Faustian deal with an Ahriman for power, hoping that it would help him gain the knowledge he needed to master the three primary forms of magic. He created a replica of the Necrologos under the guidance of the Ahriman (which he actually uses as his Grimoire), and while he believes he has the Voidsent bound to his will it's more or less the other way around. Hence the Faustian deal.

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Altitis Acquired

Altitis Acquired

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I have yet to experience it in FFXIV, but I remember back when I played World of Warcraft, there were some people who would like to RP as a "bad guy", summoning demons or being part of the Scourge (the evil undead), and just walked around as any other normal person, talking about these things out in the open.

 

... but whenever they were confronted with it, they started b*tching about how people didn't accept them playing as these bad guys.

 

Here's the deal though. If you are a bad guy and aren't hiding it, people won't just accept you. Being a bad guy means being an outcast amongst good guys. Makes sense, right? You can't be a bad guy and just pretend it's acceptabe to be that way. It'd be like if The Joker just hung out with Batman, Superman and Wonder Woman, talking about the people he recently killed, and just expecting the heroes to accept it.

 

These same rules apply in FFXIV, as the majority of the playerbase are playing as good guys, heroes of Eorzea, fighting for a good cause and defeating the baddies... so if you are someone who deals with the Voidsent, if you are RP'ing as a Garlean spy or if you are someone who has been tempered by a Primal, then you have to expect becoming an outcast amongst others who don't accept you being a bad guy!

 

If you are RP'ing as a bad guy who do or have done either of those things mentioned above, well, then you have to take the consequences.

 

Dealing with Voidsent is bad.

 

If any of my characters would see someone walk around with a Voidsent pet ICly (it's an entire other matter if they do so OOCly), then my character would react upon it, because they know that dealing with the Voidsent is a bad thing. One of them is more accepting to the matter than the other, but neither of them would ignore it. Ignoring it would just be bad RP, imo.

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Faye

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Ok, let me rephrase it. People summoning the ahriman minion or the imp, icly, in town, and no one so much as quirks an eyebrow. Aroubd haloween of course it could be understandable, but at other times of year?

Because a lot of people don't care for IC implications of messing with the void?

 

This. Someone IC once summoned a Voidsent in the middle of an RP right next to my character, casually as if it were no big deal... and then seemed offended and confused, IC and even OOC, when my character reacted negatively. The only real answer to your question is that some people don't know or give a crap about the lore.

 

Or, in same cases, the people having their characters summon Voidsent know it's taboo IC, but they do it casually in public anyway so their character can look like a super strong, edgy bad ass. And in these cases, I like to think a lot of the other people around in the RP just ignore it because the only other option is to give the shocked and pissed reactions these people want which will only encourage them.

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Seriphyn

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Ok, let me rephrase it. People summoning the ahriman minion or the imp, icly, in town, and no one so much as quirks an eyebrow. Aroubd haloween of course it could be understandable, but at other times of year?

Because a lot of people don't care for IC implications of messing with the void?

 

Yeah I've had my character react negatively to people messing with Voidsent in city walls.

 

On the other hand, maybe (and VERY MAYBE indeed) you could compare having a minion to someone IRL having a borderline illegal pet but of a breed that is "less illegal"...in both instances, it would be very attention-seeky to begin with, even IC.

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Kinono

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I've been wondering this too. Every time I have a somewhat realistic reaction to it (read: be rightfully frightened) the people in question who do the minion summoning keep moving their their dialouge/plot right along regardless and treat me as if my reaction were silly or unfounded. These will be standard characters too, guards, merchants what have you. Not the type of people that would have so much experience with voidsent as to just brush off any fear of their arrival as unreasonable.

 

I wonder if the whole voidsent/demon angle has just so overused in fantasy media as to convey an undue sense of comfort with it.

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Kinono

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One of my characters is somewhat Gothic with is the primary reason why she would be interested in voidsent, but so much for that story arc, I guess...

 

Don't let this thread discourage you! The complaint isn't about people using voidsent in their plots, the complaint is against characters who treat voidsent as an everyday occurrence or summon them in public and expect everyone to just roll with it.

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N'taeyl

N'taeyl

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Tossing my little bit in, since my character happens to be heavily tied with voidsent right now.  Do a lot of people actually IC summon these?  I haven't seen much besides Zeraia and I, but I don't get out much either~

 

My character does it because she was blinded by her means to get power and Zeraia used her, but after nearly dying she's trying to erase all traces of it and is a wreck right now.  People can RP however they want, but voidsent's only goal once they set foot in Eorzea is 'eat aether', and our characters are aether and will die if they aren't controlled somehow, or become enthralled.  It's a very real concern, depending on the kind summoned.

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Yssen

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I think it is best left up to the individual character. That said, most of the lore points to summoning voidsent and/or dealing with them being a big no no. Like HUGE. Like this is a good way to sow the seeds of your own inevitable destruction. Still, that does not stop the Thaumatuges Guild from dabbling it, and other giant no no areas of spell craft. They just aren't public about it, and there in lies the key. 

 

I like to call it "shouting out that you are an assassin in a pub full of strangers" syndrome. Real assassins (or other people that dabble in the unsavory) wouldn't do that. A Black Mage knows they have a stigma against them for what they dabble in. Why invite undue scorn by advertising it? Now, every character is going to answer that question differently, and that is perfectly fine. Just like every character is going to have a different reaction to someone who is dabbling with the voidsent.

 

I will say, the one thing that annoys me about voidsent use and characters is the ooc (I must stress this, OOC) attitude that such things can be messed with and there will be zero negative effects for doing so. Voidsent are not your friends. They are not your buddies. If they are your only friends and buddies you probably need new friends. This would be the "bad Twilight Caste, no biscuit" take on demon summoning. I tend to think the lore supports this. Yar. ;p

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Altitis Acquired

Altitis Acquired

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I will say, the one thing that annoys me about voidsent use and characters is the ooc (I must stress this, OOC) attitude that such things can be messed with and there will be zero negative effects for doing so. Voidsent are not your friends. They are not your buddies. 

 

This... Exactly this.

It's like when Warlocks in WoW are "best buddies" with their demonic minions.

NO! They are DEMONS! You ENSLAVED THEM! They want you DEAD if you didn't have the power to control them! That's what they do!!!

It's exactly the same with Voidsent!

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