Warren Castille Posted February 9, 2015 Share #101 Posted February 9, 2015 True, but even if the latter is true, it's the way they want to play, and honestly, doesn't hurt anyone I say let them have their way and if you don't want to RP into that, then don't. And this is not aimed at you, Warren. Just the topic in general. I gotcha. Was mostly wanting to dismantle the "you look trashy" side of things. There's a difference between "I'm open to sexual content" and "fill my boihole with billions of cat seeds." ...you know what? Not editing that. COME AT ME, MODS. Edit: I lied. Again, not saying there's anything wrong with the second case. It's definitely a lot cruder than "I fuck on the first date" though. Link to comment
Branson Thorne Posted February 9, 2015 Share #102 Posted February 9, 2015 True, but even if the latter is true, it's the way they want to play, and honestly, doesn't hurt anyone I say let them have their way and if you don't want to RP into that, then don't. And this is not aimed at you, Warren. Just the topic in general. I gotcha. Was mostly wanting to dismantle the "you look trashy" side of things. There's a difference between "I'm open to sexual content" and "fill my boihole with billions of cat seeds." ...you know what? Not editing that. COME AT ME, MODS. Edit: I lied. Again, not saying there's anything wrong with the second case. It's definitely a lot cruder than "I fuck on the first date" though. Oh man, I had a witty answer to whatever was replied, but I underestimated the clever use of "boihole" and "cat seed" haha. Link to comment
Berrod Armstrong Posted February 9, 2015 Share #103 Posted February 9, 2015 True, but even if the latter is true, it's the way they want to play, and honestly, doesn't hurt anyone I say let them have their way and if you don't want to RP into that, then don't. And this is not aimed at you, Warren. Just the topic in general. I gotcha. Was mostly wanting to dismantle the "you look trashy" side of things. There's a difference between "I'm open to sexual content" and "fill my boihole with billions of cat seeds." ...you know what? Not editing that. COME AT ME, MODS. Edit: I lied. Again, not saying there's anything wrong with the second case. It's definitely a lot cruder than "I fuck on the first date" though. Oh man, I had a witty answer to whatever was replied, but I underestimated the clever use of "boihole" and "cat seed" haha. I was serious and indignant a few posts ago and now I'm guffawing like some kind of tool. Warren I can't stand you I just think you should know this omg my sides Link to comment
g0ne Posted February 9, 2015 Author Share #104 Posted February 9, 2015 Good for you, Berrod, because I am still trying to crack the code that is Warren and I am miserably failing at it! :frustrated: On the subject of ERP, though. I don't see why it's considered such a taboo. Provided that the build up to it is natural and it is a result of consistent interaction and relationship, communication OOC is switched on, you know the person well OOCly, and all necessary boundaries are observed, i.e, same thing, I'm not my character, etc. etc., all the things pointed out by the posters in this thread, let your characters engage in sexual activity. This stuff happens all the time in movies and books, but no one labels the actors or writers as 'wrong' or 'eww'. Our characters are individuals and like all individuals, they have needs. Like in real life. But sadly, unlike in real life, the character and the RPer are labeled 'eww...'. If your characters are truly as realistic and normal as possible, then they will experience feelings and interaction of sexual nature at some point in their lives. So, that said, no, I am not against ERP at all. Of course, provided that it is the general RP that leads to the ERP and not the other way around, i.e, ERP is the sole reason you RP, it's perfectly plausible to me. My two gil. 1 Link to comment
Berrod Armstrong Posted February 9, 2015 Share #105 Posted February 9, 2015 Consent, respect, differentiation, intent, control, discretion and communication; a player who recognizes and utilizes all these things is all set to roleplay WHATEVER the hell they want. Link to comment
Kamome Posted February 9, 2015 Share #106 Posted February 9, 2015 I think the IC/OOC boundary is the precise reason many people do shy away from ERP or find it distasteful. Ideally, everyone could separate IC sexuality from OOC arousal, and it could just be objective storytelling. Too often, though, ERP is something many RPers see leading to OOC complications and mixed feelings. When I think of how I have seen ERP influence and even destroy communities of RPers due to IC/OOC bleeds of attraction, I do feel sad and a little disgusted. I actively do not allow this to influence my opinion of others nor do I criticize those who do participate, however, because I know this is based on my own experience and view of ERP as I have seen it over the years. Everyone's experience is different--but I think it's safe to say, universally, that because ERP is so intense in its sexual descriptions it does generally run a high risk of OOC/IC bleed. Edit: text size being weird 1 Link to comment
Gegenji Posted February 9, 2015 Share #107 Posted February 9, 2015 So, that said, no, I am not against ERP at all. Of course, provided that it is the general RP that leads to the ERP and not the other way around, i.e, ERP is the sole reason you RP, it's perfectly plausible to me. My two gil. Also as long as it isn't been done publicly, I'd assume? Private times should be done in private places in a private manner. No bending a girl over the railing of the Quicksand. Which, in either case, means it's out of sight and out of mind. As such, I'd say you're free to continue with it however you please since it's not infringing on anyone else. Actively trolling, pressing, and shaming folks into doing ERP, though, is another matter entirely. 1 Link to comment
Branson Thorne Posted February 9, 2015 Share #108 Posted February 9, 2015 Though i've never engaged in ERP before, I wouldn't say I am against it.....IF.....it suits the roleplay, and...IF.....its with the understanding that this is all done IC. That being said however, ERP always seemed like sticky situation to get yourself into without really knowing the basics of the person OOC. And i don't mean that you have to know them IRL. Just as long as you know them good enough to make an educated guess on how they will handle an ERP scenario, to see if they can distinguish the difference between IC and OOC realtionship. Link to comment
Warren Castille Posted February 9, 2015 Share #109 Posted February 9, 2015 ERP always seemed like sticky situation Annnnd we're done here. Good thread, folks. Thanks for coming out. Link to comment
Ha'uruh Nunh Posted February 9, 2015 Share #110 Posted February 9, 2015 Good for you, Berrod, because I am still trying to crack the code that is Warren and I am miserably failing at it! :frustrated: On the subject of ERP, though. I don't see why it's considered such a taboo. Provided that the build up to it is natural and it is a result of consistent interaction and relationship, communication OOC is switched on, you know the person well OOCly, and all necessary boundaries are observed, i.e, same thing, I'm not my character, etc. etc., all the things pointed out by the posters in this thread, let your characters engage in sexual activity. This stuff happens all the time in movies and books, but no one labels the actors or writers as 'wrong' or 'eww'. Our characters are individuals and like all individuals, they have needs. Like in real life. But sadly, unlike in real life, the character and the RPer are labeled 'eww...'. If your characters are truly as realistic and normal as possible, then they will experience feelings and interaction of sexual nature at some point in their lives. So, that said, no, I am not against ERP at all. Of course, provided that it is the general RP that leads to the ERP and not the other way around, i.e, ERP is the sole reason you RP, it's perfectly plausible to me. My two gil. The key to understanding Warren: Just think of a man, then take away reason, and accountability. /JackNicholson Link to comment
Branson Thorne Posted February 9, 2015 Share #111 Posted February 9, 2015 ERP always seemed like sticky situation Annnnd we're done here. Good thread, folks. Thanks for coming out. I was afraid somebody was going to miss that! Link to comment
Warren Castille Posted February 9, 2015 Share #112 Posted February 9, 2015 The key to understanding Warren: Just think of a man, then take away reason, and accountability. /JackNicholson Spoilers. Link to comment
Berrod Armstrong Posted February 9, 2015 Share #113 Posted February 9, 2015 ERP always seemed like sticky situation Annnnd we're done here. Good thread, folks. Thanks for coming out. WARREN YOU NEED TO BE STOPPED SOMEONE STOP HIM 1 Link to comment
Melkire Posted February 9, 2015 Share #114 Posted February 9, 2015 ...you know what? Not editing that. COME AT ME, MODS. Ew, no. There are better places for that stuff. Let's see if we can get back on-topic. If not, and we're all done here, please feel free to let the thread die after having run its course (or I could lock it forcibly, mwuahahahaha). 1. This is a thread where RPers can suggest methods or tactics they apply to keep this boundary firm. It is a means to better help understand this IC OOC line, and prevent blurring and the multitude of problems that come with it. You could call it a guide of sorts. 2. It is not a thread where you can toss in all sorts of negativities or make the thread go aggressive, hostile etc. Refrain from posting anything on this thread other that is against the SMILE way. The SMILE way endorses postivity and happy and of course, smiles. 3. As much as I want this to be helpful and useful to everyone and do not want the thread to turn into a battlefield and therefore get closed, I will not hesistate to ask the mods to shut it down if things get heated. Link to comment
Flashhelix Posted February 9, 2015 Share #115 Posted February 9, 2015 But, erm, I'm not sure I understood what you mean by the spoliers in your last sentence. Its just a pet peeve of mine. Players that use the term 'mature' but seek rp of a sexual nature almost exclusively are trashy in my opinion. Its like a prostitute calling themselves an escort to make what they do seem legitimate. (I was supposed to go to bed hours ago, I apologize if this response is unclear.) Juuuuuuust as an aside, that statement is a bit uh. Well, offensive. Escorts/sex workers in general are legitimate in areas where they are legal. The career is no less legitimate than any other, as it's up to the worker to decide what they do with their bodies. This is speaking as someone who has willingly worked in the sex industry. That's all well and good, but we're talking pretend prostitutes played by creepy guys on the internet, not real sex workers. 1 Link to comment
Warren Castille Posted February 9, 2015 Share #116 Posted February 9, 2015 That's all well and good, but we're talking pretend prostitutes played by creepy guys on the internet, not real sex workers. The OOC/IC distinction was vague, if that was the case. Link to comment
g0ne Posted February 9, 2015 Author Share #117 Posted February 9, 2015 Okies, guys, back on track please. Remember, SMILE and helpfulness. It's been a pretty positive thread so far, please lets keep it that way. :3 Link to comment
Delilah Scythewood Posted February 9, 2015 Share #118 Posted February 9, 2015 Listen to Eleni, she made the thread after all When it comes to the IC/OOC boundary (and this goes for everyone, but especially FC leaders) and approaching it, it always helps to have proof of what you feel to be that boundary being broken. So screenshots, copy and pasting logs, etc, or at least multiple people accounts if the blending between the two was something public. It always helps folks to know if they have something concrete you're going off of, and something that can be discussed. 1 Link to comment
Branson Thorne Posted February 9, 2015 Share #119 Posted February 9, 2015 Just to help pull this back into topic, I haven't read all the replies yet, but this boundary line referring to relationships or other things? Link to comment
Kurt S. Posted February 10, 2015 Share #120 Posted February 10, 2015 And here I am with alts to necessitate a clear boundary between IC and OOC. I dunno if it works for everyone but when you know character A isn't supposed to know what character B knows, you already try to keep some sort of detachment whenever you interact with others. Less of you being in your characters shoes and more of it feeling like you're watching a TV show or something that involves em. After all, you aren't your character, they are their own people probably with just snippets of you in them. And like any good TV show, even if you aren't them, you could still feel for them or something. And yes when I say they are there own characters I minimize the impact of my viewpoints, orientation and all that. If Ramona so much as gets a boyfriend (COME AT HER BRAH!), I will simply internalize the mantra of "I'mco-authoringaromancenovel"and let the relationship blossom or wither accordingly. That in itself already puts some distance between OOC and IC, helps keep the bleed away when they're(your characters) doing something that might be interesting but wouldn't exactly be right up your alley personally. Link to comment
Gone. Posted February 10, 2015 Share #121 Posted February 10, 2015 It's also possible to be too disconnected, though, to the point that a character no longer feels like an actual person. There's nothing wrong with putting some of your first-world experience into a character; it helps give them life, believability. Sure, the line has to be drawn somewhere, but replacing an extreme with another extreme doesn't work, either. This same scenario can also lead to one of my biggest IC/OOC pet peeves, and that's shirking responsibility by using 'IC' as an excuse for landing on subjects that some are likely to take personally. Roleplay is not a legitimate excuse for being insensitive to those around you. 1 Link to comment
Kinono Posted February 10, 2015 Share #122 Posted February 10, 2015 Just to help pull this back into topic, I haven't read all the replies yet, but this boundary line referring to relationships or other things? Everything, really. Relationships are the biggie, but it's definitely not unheard of for IC slights/arguments to be taken OoCly. Link to comment
Reshie Posted February 10, 2015 Share #123 Posted February 10, 2015 I view the IC/OOC boundary as being a very simple and very clear divide for me. This is a character who I am playing to match their own distinct personality. Are there parts of me in this character? Yes because I can't play something I don't understand but that being said I am not that character. I had a lot of issues in SWTOR with people feeling that I was my character and it caused a lot of problems that have made me a little gunshy about RPing. That being said, I view the character as the character. You are not your character and I am not going to assume such. Just because the characters are friends does not mean you are my friend OOC and we're all buddy buddy. That's just not how it works. I don't mind OOC communication but traditionally that communication stays about the characters and their interactions. If a friendship forms, okay, but when that happens the lines are clearly drawn especially if the other person is a male. I've encountered too many people who live through their characters and it bleeds into OOC conversations and feelings.(This tends to be more with RP relationships than just character friendships and/or business relationships but the same applies for all instances) I make it very well known that I am in a serious relationship so if I see something I deem to be a mixing of OOC, it is brought up with a clear warning of "No. This is not appropriate and this will not happen." If I end up with someone who causes me more stress than my day to day life or who I start avoiding like the plague because of something they are doing, something has to be said about it. You don't have to be rude about the warning but it needs to be clear and direct. No beating around the bush or hinting because that causes issues of its own. If I see it a second time, I end the contact. I won't risk my relationship or my sanity over RP. I've had to learn to be very strict about this particular thing. I know it's kind of harsh and a lot of people don't agree with it but in my experience being nice about it or trying to just push it to the side doesn't work. It only gets worse with time until you end up with a much bigger mess than it ever should have been. Link to comment
Branson Thorne Posted February 10, 2015 Share #124 Posted February 10, 2015 Just to help pull this back into topic, I haven't read all the replies yet, but this boundary line referring to relationships or other things? Everything, really. Relationships are the biggie, but it's definitely not unheard of for IC slights/arguments to be taken OoCly. How odd, I can understand the lines of a romance/erp blurring the lines, but never IC arguments. Link to comment
Kinono Posted February 10, 2015 Share #125 Posted February 10, 2015 Just to help pull this back into topic, I haven't read all the replies yet, but this boundary line referring to relationships or other things? Everything, really. Relationships are the biggie, but it's definitely not unheard of for IC slights/arguments to be taken OoCly. How odd, I can understand the lines of a romance/erp blurring the lines, but never IC arguments. Sadly, I'll totally admit to having previously acted coldly to people ICly who I did not like OoCly. It wasn't so much about bleed, I don't think, more just... "I want this social interaction to be over with." That could be argued, obviously, but that's just my own experience. I try not to do that anymore, because I know it comes off as extremely childish as opposed to just excusing myself and leaving. Typically if there's IC drama a-stirrin', it's with people who are familiar with me and know that what happens IC changes nothing OoCly, hell, I'll probably poke fun at it myself later. If something does happen with someone who I'm not as familiar with, I try to send them some confirmatory tell at some point during or after thanking them for the RP and apologizing for my character's action so they know there's no hard feelings. Most people are totally okay with it. Link to comment
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