Interaction of Multiple Free Companies

[Erik Mynhier]

Bolded for empasis.

The goal of this Summit is to bring together active Free Companies of Balmung to meet, interact, story plan, settle issues, and foster cooperation with other FCs for larger activities.

 

Yes that is the wording, and intent. But I think when those are read some assume it to be a macro server control. I will break it down as best as I can. My feeling, and I think if people are entitled to be rightfully suspicious of the intent through experience, then I am entitled to believe several have allowed their suspicions to cause them to automatically think the worse. I understand that I am an optimistic person and most are not. Let me clarify. Again this is a FC event, not a Balmung Control event. The point is to help FCs especially small ones, and to make contacts.

 

Story Plan - "Hey, our FC does "XYZ" and we were wanting to do a storyline with "ABC". Anyone want in?"

Story planning between two or three FCs is actually fairly common. I know the Red Wings have done a few, as have others I'm sure. It is exactlly what it says, a way to advertise your FC and to seek some multi-fc rp. If two or three FCs got together to spitball an Multi-FC RP on the Making Connections forum, no one would bat an eye. I understand the size of the event makes some nervous, and I am sorry for that. But if you come at it with a "glass half full" eye you will see that its not some server wide plot as it is not a server wide event. Its a FC event.

 

Settle Issues - "Can anyone help us build Airships?"

I went over this in the last post so I will leave it at that.

 

Foster Cooperation - "Anyone need anything? We can help."

This one is the scariest to people I noticed. I am not sure why. This is just those with some, helping those who need help. I do not see why anyone would not want to foster cooperation to help with problems people have. I will give you an example, and yes you can go behind me and ask to be sure I'm not lying lol. There is no housing available on Balmung as you all know, so newer and smaller FCs are basically SOL. So in that I found a FC rping one day and overheard they were new and in need of a hub. So I approached and offered the use of the RWs house. They could come and go as they liked, and ic/pretend it was their house. It was something I could do to help out someone in need. That is fostering cooperation. To check my story I will not post here their names, but a quick PM and I will tell you where to find them.

 

Larger Activities - "If we are going to go.... lets go big.

Again I think this is inturpetted two ways based on whether your glass is half full or half empty. It sort of goes to the other three. Cooperating to help eachother, helping a fc settle issues and problems they are having, and planning rps between similar themed FCs, I suppose if I squint I can see where all that could be twisted, but again my glass is half full and I take it at face value.

 

 

Its really boils down to those who assume the worst and those who assume the best. That I think is the point of conflict here.

[Kellach Woods]

Story Plan

All right, I can get behind that. But why do you need to hold a summit to do that? Can just post within the current resources. I don't see the need to try and get every FC possible to go along with this. Just "Yo we're at this spot in our FC's story and we want to collaborate with some other FCs" on this forum or in other resources.

 

The goal for this is laudable - I just don't see why you need to hold a summit for it.

 

Settle Issues

Again, why can't you use current resources to do that? PF's been used for ALL sorts of unrelated party finding things and Making Connections could easily serve for that purpose. I wouldn't even consider building an airship being part of Settling Issues and more part of Fostering Cooperation. And why limit these to only FCs like you're doing by proposing it at that summit anyway? To me that makes no sense at all.

 

Just the fact that there's Issues to Settle to me seems fishy as all hell when you could just remove that talking point (to be fair, all talking points but Fostering Cooperation because they pretty much mean the same thing with your definitions).

 

To me, it just sounds like you're trying too hard to find problems where there aren't many to justify the position.

 

Foster Cooperation

Why not just rename this Sharing Resources because that's the example you give out - If help isn't to come from just resources, that's touched by your other points anyway.

 

Larger Activities

Dismissing other people's concerns by saying it's just a optimist/pessimist debate is pretty much the worst thing to happen to this discussion.

 

Just on a functionality standpoint - you're already discussing it in your first point. Why repeat yourself? A lot of these could be rolled together and explained better because they are essentially the same thing.

 

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Overall I just don't see it as necessary in the way it's currently being made, but as I said on page 3, w/e. This'll happen whether I'm there or not, and there's absolutely no way I would even get a voice on this. All I can pretty much do is hope that this doesn't fuck over my enjoyment of the RP community.

[V'aleera]

To me, it just sounds like you're trying too hard to find problems where there aren't many to justify the position.

I'd say this applies just as fairly to pretty much everyone partaking in this argument.

[Kellach Woods]

Yeah I was actually hesitating on putting that in the post or not - I just think the whole process could stand to be simplified for a better overall event.

[Erik Mynhier]

Yeah I was actually hesitating on putting that in the post or not - I just think the whole process could stand to be simplified for a better overall event.

 

Well I understand the idea that this could all be done a simpler way or with say the Making Connections thread, I absolutely agree with you. But this way of doing it is more fun then skimming a forum. It comes down to where as it seems unnecessary to some, to others it is worth it for the fun of getting together. Its that old piece wisdom man, "Now the world don't move to the beat of just one drum. What might be right for you, may not be right for some."

 

Now for my position, and me "ignoring different opinions" and "trying to derail based on turning it into a optimism vs pessimism" I suppose I am, but only because I believe as strongly that it is the underlying issue. Just as firmly as those against feel that this is a mistake or that I or others have ulterior motives" Others are entitled to that opinion, as much as I am to have mine.

 

I hope that came out respectful. I tried to word it as best I could, but lack of inflection you know.

[Delilah Scythewood]

(Stuff)

 

I hope that came out respectful. I tried to word it as best I could, but lack of inflection you know.

 

I think you've done just fine and you've spoken on this as best you can. Those who are reading too much into this and looking for fault or problems when the whole thing is more OOC then IC...well, that's their issue. Not yours. Let them bitch. Just focus on helping things go smoothly and all shall be well

[Kellach Woods]

I don't think the event will actually cause anything new to happen, but just might exacerbate already existing problems.

 

'cause quite frankly if you stick to just wanting to help out I don't think that'll cause anything bad.

[Erik Mynhier]

I don't think the event will actually cause anything new to happen, but just might exacerbate already existing problems.

 

'cause quite frankly if you stick to just wanting to help out I don't think that'll cause anything bad.

 

That's the plan. I know things can go hairy in any situation, but I tend to expect the best in people. Granted I have been burned with that attitude before, recently even, but I still hold hope in people.

 

Edit: Lol, bold faced the part I was answering so no one thought "the plan" was to "exacerbate already existing problems". lol

[Chris Ganale]

It says a lot that I, being the biggest pessimist around, still have more faith in this than most around here.

 

I don't think the event will actually cause anything new to happen, but just might exacerbate already existing problems.

 

If even one person has their RP broadened by this event, I am relatively certain that Erik will consider it a complete and utter success.

[Kellach Woods]

Keep in mind the originally stated goals and how it's supposed to happen - if only one person is helped, then it's like... what happened to the other FC rep that was with them?

[Erik Mynhier]

Keep in mind the originally stated goals and how it's supposed to happen - if only one person is helped, then it's like... what happened to the other FC rep that was with them?

 

I believe, at least I thought "if only one person is helped" is a common expression. I believe it was meant as a colloquialism.

[Kellach Woods]

THAT WAS THE JOKE.

[Dante Abigor]

Wow....smells like salt and sulfur in this thread.

 

That said though, I hope to attend if possible, I just do not know who may be coming with me, if any at all.

[Warren Castille]

Wow....smells like salt and sulfur in this thread.

 

That said though, I hope to attend if possible, I just do not know who may be coming with me, if any at all.

 

You're going to want the thread over here then. This one was a discussion that broke off of the original topic.

[Branson Thorne]

I had just found it funny that at the start of this idea, one of the goals was to discuss with FC's about providing more open RP outside of housing etc so it would be easier for others to get involved, but the first thing that this meeting does is lock themselves back into their housing. Not that there is anythign wrong with that, just found the irony funny.

 

Also, and i may be totally wrong, and will probably use the wrong word for it, but it seems to have a slight "elitism" aire about it.

[Warren Castille]

Also, and i may be totally wrong, and will probably use the wrong word for it, but it seems to have a slight "elitism" aire about it.

 

This was part of the issue I tried to make aware, even directly quoting parts of the OP to have them clarified. I was shouted down for being a spoilsport and the OP remains, to this day, unedited despite being told I and others "interpreted it wrong."

 

There's a reason this thread stopped commentary a month ago or so.

[Branson Thorne]

Also, and i may be totally wrong, and will probably use the wrong word for it, but it seems to have a slight "elitism" aire about it.

 

This was part of the issue I tried to make aware, even directly quoting parts of the OP to have them clarified. I was shouted down for being a spoilsport and the OP remains, to this day, unedited despite being told I and others "interpreted it wrong."

 

There's a reason this thread stopped commentary a month ago or so.

 

Yes well, how dare you have an opinion that contradicts anyone elses...

 

I had actually thought this some time ago, but just figured I was understanding it wrong so just kept my mouth losed on the subject. I see I'm not the only one.

[Kage]

Everyone (and I'm pretty sure it was everyone) interpreted that phrase wrong apparently.

[Nebbs]

Gosh.. 

 

Well I will be coming along with an open and constructive outlook. 

 

What I think we will get out of it:

• Visible openness to interaction
  
• A shared event/action that puts some commitment behind a willingness to interact
  
• The initial steps, maybe just acknowledging each other
  

What I hope we get out of it:

• Accepting we are all part of a bigger thing
  
• FCs actively putting out hooks
  
• FCs identifying other FCs that they think they could work with
  

My advice.. keep it simple & keep it open.

 

Interactions will be between FCs and not through any "collective" forum. So think of this like maybe singles night for FCs?

[No Longer Exists]

*Peeks out from under his hat*

 

Many moons ago.... *Drumbeats, low chanting in the background* The tribes of Gilgamesh came together, a summit of companies. There were three events, each held on its own in a single city-state. For hours before hand, I and others interested in helping out, raised our voices to announce these events to the public at large in all the city states. 

 

Each company or tribe announced itself, if it wished to attend, with no more than 5 members as representatives (though we lifted the number restriction later at the community's request). New players came and listened, their characters RPed with those they agreed most with or found most interesting. FCs mingled, made connections, offered services, settled grievances, and no one spoke of writing laws.

 

There were many trolls, but we had a good time anyways.

 

This is what I feel the OP was trying to get at. I could be wrong though.

 

I refuse to read the stuff about details, nuances, and how it should or shouldn't have been worded. 

 

Tl;dr

 

I'm in and will do anything to help.

[Mercurias]

Welp, from my knowledge my own FC is going to be attending. We actually don't have a whole lot of interaction with a lot of other groups, so I'm curious to see if there are like-minded folks who are interested in our storylines or vice versa.

If my own group doesn't attend, I'd probably show as a nonrep just to see what it's all about.

 

I'm curious.

 

That being said, I'm really pretty astounded at all the criticism it's getting. 

 

I strongly suggest that people who detract from the event for whatever reason suggest alternatives along with the criticisms. Having your opinion is fine, but we ALL have one, and that means it's a better idea to contribute something constructive rather than, uh, tearing something down and leaving nothing else in its place. 

 

I don't really see the point of all that.

[Erik Mynhier]

Welp, from my knowledge my own FC is going to be attending. We actually don't have a whole lot of interaction with a lot of other groups, so I'm curious to see if there are like-minded folks who are interested in our storylines or vice versa.

If my own group doesn't attend, I'd probably show as a nonrep just to see what it's all about.

 

I'm curious.

 

That being said, I'm really pretty astounded at all the criticism it's getting. 

 

I strongly suggest that people who detract from the event for whatever reason suggest alternatives along with the criticisms. Having your opinion is fine, but we ALL have one, and that means it's a better idea to contribute something constructive rather than, uh, tearing something down and leaving nothing else in its place. 

 

I don't really see the point of all that.

 

People just get nervous is all, and new things are scary. I don't mind really, several say the op was not clear on meaning, but even though it is clarified in page 6 of this very thread, people feel better/more empowered nipping at others, and it is easier then coming up with original ideas. What can I say right?

 

I'm not terribly bothered by naysayers, there are many people interested in the event and that's who I am doing this for. For people who automatically think the worst.... suspicion is a terrible burden.

[Warren Castille]

Or you could have edited the OP to address the concerns instead of making people look in another thread for your clarifications. I guess all your edit time was spent sniping in a Star Wars picture to take the piss out of people's concerns, though.

 

The fucking irony of you talking about other people sniping.

[V'aleera]

Also, and i may be totally wrong, and will probably use the wrong word for it, but it seems to have a slight "elitism" aire about it.

I have yet to understand how an event that is literally open to anyone and everyone (who has an FC they are willing to speak on behalf of) can be interpreted as elitist.

 

 

Or you could have edited the OP to address the concerns instead of making people look in another thread for your clarifications.

What result would that effort yield? From my recollection of the thread, the only people complaining about the wording (or whatever the specific nitpicks were) were the same people stating an upfront unwillingness to attend regardless.

 

Something something John Lydgate quote something something

[Erik Mynhier]

Or you could have edited the OP to address the concerns instead of making people look in another thread for your clarifications. I guess all your edit time was spent sniping in a Star Wars picture to take the piss out of people's concerns, though.

 

The fucking irony of you talking about other people sniping.

 

No, I think the pages of explanation were enough. Its alot I know to expect people to read a whole thread true. And I couldn't help myself on the pic, to funny.

 

Look man, I'm not mad at you or anyone. Someone bows up on me, I tend to laugh it off. Its how I am, so love it or not. No need to get all angry and saying words I do not believe are needed such as F****** or P***. No need for your anger friend. To be honest, if we are getting personal here I am not sure where or when you became so angry with me over everything. I thought there was trust. The grindstone is big, and the title arbiter is a bit special sounding, but I would never think you were trying to take over or be negative because I know you are a stand up guy. The title, the event, they are artistically flowery for the sake of fun, so I assume its all in good fun. So I wonder why I do not rate the same benefit of the doubt I give you, and the benefit I give you in private conversations about you and your event.

 

I wish I knew why really.