Plausibility of Vampire RP

[Val]

It could be argued that in the case of novelty stuff, it's there for amusement or costuming more than establishing lore.

 

The challenge then becomes declaring what's a novelty and what is not.

 This is what I'm getting at. Flavor text =/= truth, as it has been used not only in XIV, but many other games and things to add.. well. Flavor. If you don't have sound lore, you shouldn't be going to the flavor text to find it like some kind of starved crack-fiend. It's the fault of the devs for not making it clear and abundant. The fact that one case of joke flavor text exists means that others must.

 

Multiple items mention "vampire" in some form, complete with the trappings of the myth as we know it. It's not exactly the same case of Fantasia, which isn't referenced by anything else. Sure, we could say the cephalapod is joke flavor text, but the vampire fish? Reference to vampire bats? The term "vampire" had to come from somewhere, and not all of those descriptions get silly joke language in them.

 

We have no hard confirmation, but we have multiple soft ones, coming from things that are completely unrelated and all showcasing the same themes.

 

The term "vampire" could easily just be taken as a name because of its real-world denotation. It's easy to recognize and you know immediately what it entails. Until an actual vampire pops up somewhere, all we have remotely close to that are voidsent that prey on aether. This, of course, has been offered to the OP countless times but it wasn't good enough.

[Berrod Armstrong]

Unless the lore team explicitly says a bit of flavor text on an item (or the item itself) is not canon, I treat it as canon -- simply because at that point, the game is the most reliable source for that information; much more reliable than anything, or any opinion that had nothing to do with the development. If it's written in the game -- canon until proven otherwise. Innocent until proven guilty, of a sort. 

 

I'd much rather go with a 'Lol this fish is a peen fish' bit of flavor text than a player telling me that this fish cannot be a peen fish because some of the flavor text is joking. If that is the case, then I will acknowledge the joking ones as such when, and only when the people who write the lore for the game confirm that is the case. Not to the subjective reasoning of people who have a particular way of looking at a game's lore and flavor in order to craft their style of roleplay. 

 

As for the vampire thing; observe the qualities of the vampire mentions in the text Sounsyy showed us, and come up with a concept that incorporates those qualities. There's no need to play Lestat, naturally. A simple Thaumaturge who believes he needs to drink blood to extend his own aether reserves or something like that. Make a venn diagram of what the game's lore is, what you want to play, and what you know a vampire to be. Construct your concept out of the space where all three circles intersect. After that, it's all about your presentation!

[V'aleera]

Then we must also go on the assumption that because it isn't in game, it doesn't exist? Like how there's no justification for miqo'te dragoons and such beyond the super special main character?

Or how there's no lore justifying the existence of a Hyur/Miqo'te pairing that doesn't end in them getting run out of town?

[Flashhelix]

I honestly won't fault anybody for taking flavor text as a part of the lore, but don't get uppity and try to tell somebody that they're wrong for assuming the opposite when we've demonstrably seen that flavor text can be just that: flavor text that doesn't figure into the game's lore. Both have the same amount of ground to stand on.

 

Or how there's no lore justifying the existence of a Hyur/Miqo'te pairing that doesn't end in them getting run out of town?

 

Calm down.

[Warren Castille]

Take a good look at this guy:

 

 

 

 

That's the FFXI-style of Vampyr. We're probably getting one of those sooner or later.

[Val]

Then we must also go on the assumption that because it isn't in game, it doesn't exist? Like how there's no justification for miqo'te dragoons and such beyond the super special main character?

Or how there's no lore justifying the existence of a Hyur/Miqo'te pairing that doesn't end in them getting run out of town?

 

Someone's salty :v

 

People actually have tried to run my character out. Unlike some people, I welcome it

 

Also:

"Blessed by the elder primal himself, Sleipnir will forever remain loyal to those who have proven themselves worthy. In addition to being fearless in battle, the dark steed is also able to manipulate his corporeal form to accommodate any rider, large or small."

 

According to this flavor text, I have a super OP horse blessed by Odin himself. Sweet.

 

 

"Summon forth Twintania, an ancient wyvern who secretly dreams of freedom...and devouring you.

Bound to eternal thralldom via an Allagan neurolink, this ancient wyvern from the southern continent of Meracydia will remain a loyal servant as long as you possess its identification key."

 

And I get to control Twintania!!!11

[111]

Then we must also go on the assumption that because it isn't in game, it doesn't exist? Like how there's no justification for miqo'te dragoons and such beyond the super special main character?

Or how there's no lore justifying the existence of a Hyur/Miqo'te pairing that doesn't end in them getting run out of town?

Or that there are no toilets.

 

WHERE DOES THE POOP GO.

[V'aleera]

Someone's salty :v

Not at all, I was simply seeking clarity.

 

The fact that you have chosen to refuse to allow those people to succeed, when the only lore we have explicitly mandates that they would, proves my point however.

[Oli!]

How do we know that any of the text relating to vampires is actually in-lore, however? There's been item text that, at first glance seems completely real, yet the devs themselves have come out and stated its non-canon nature. That is, Fantasia. So if Fantasia and the resulting flavor text isn't canon, what exactly is stopping somebody from asserting that a similar situation couldn't be happening with flavor text of another item?

 

It's also worth noting that some things don't really have any reason to be canon, like the wind-up FF1 sprites and the pointer hand.

 

They've got flavor text, but their purpose is pretty clearly just Nostalgia Factor without any further implications.

[Warren Castille]

Novelty items are a novelty.

[Caspar]

Why not just let the devs decide? If you don't like the lore, don't engage with that segment of it, rather than making the shaky claim that a scene or bit of ingame text wasn't canon without any definitive answer. As we've established, plenty of "lore-adherents" take liberties too. Until a definite answer is revealed, your assertion of canon really just is ignoring sonething that isnt to your taste.

[Val]

Novelty items are a novelty.

 

Idunno, it's in the flavor text. :angel:

[V'aleera]

They've got flavor text, but their purpose is pretty clearly just Nostalgia Factor without any further implications.

That's giving a considerable benefit of the doubt to a company that has openly admitted that choosing between GC lore and fixing the busted pvp queues is a legitimately difficult decision for them to make.

[111]

Novelty items are a novelty.

 

Idunno, it's in the flavor text. :angel:

Well i mean.

 

I don't think it's that odd for the WoL to have items like that.

 

They're the WoL. That doesn't mean there are more than one.

[Val]

Someone's salty :v

Not at all, I was simply seeking clarity.

 

The fact that you have chosen to refuse to allow those people to succeed, when the only lore we have explicitly mandates that they would, proves my point however.

 

I'm not sure what you're trying to imply with this? Ultimately, people can RP what they want. I just reserve the right to avoid them. Do I avoid miqo'te dragoons? Nah. Do I find it silly? Kinda. You do you, cupcake.

[Flashhelix]

Why not just let the devs decide? If you don't like the lore, don't engage with that segment of it, rather than making the shaky claim that a scene or bit of ingame text wasn't canon without any definitive answer. As we've established, plenty of "lore-adherents" take liberties too. Until a definite answer is revealed, your assertion of canon really just is ignoring sonething that isnt to your taste.

 

How is the claim that it isn't canon any more shaky than the claim that it is canon? We've seen ample evidence that flavor text can be non-canon, just as I'm sure there are examples of things such as questlines or dialogue confirming something asserted in the flavor text of an item.

[Berrod Armstrong]

Then we must also go on the assumption that because it isn't in game, it doesn't exist? Like how there's no justification for miqo'te dragoons and such beyond the super special main character?

Or how there's no lore justifying the existence of a Hyur/Miqo'te pairing that doesn't end in them getting run out of town?

 

Someone's salty :v

 

People actually have tried to run my character out. Unlike some people, I welcome it

 

Also:

"Blessed by the elder primal himself, Sleipnir will forever remain loyal to those who have proven themselves worthy. In addition to being fearless in battle, the dark steed is also able to manipulate his corporeal form to accommodate any rider, large or small."

 

 

According to this flavor text, I have a super OP horse blessed by Odin himself. Sweet.

 

 

"Summon forth Twintania, an ancient wyvern who secretly dreams of freedom...and devouring you.

Bound to eternal thralldom via an Allagan neurolink, this ancient wyvern from the southern continent of Meracydia will remain a loyal servant as long as you possess its identification key."

 

And I get to control Twintania!!!11

For all we know, the Warrior of Light has a super OP horse blessed by Odin himself (he's such a complete dumbass I can just imagine him never using it). The guy goes around killing Gods for a living, it's not a far stretch.

 

The same can be said of Twintania. He beat the shit out of her, and now she's his WINGSTEED.

 

Remember, a lot of the fantasticry applies to the Warrior of Light, not Berrod the Monk.

 

When the lore team comes out and says these things aren't canon, then I'll put those ideas away. Until then, there is absolutely no authority that can say that those things aren't true.

[Warren Castille]

Novelty items are a novelty.

 

Idunno, it's in the flavor text. :angel:

 

I know we're dancing about the sides of the argument, but bonus items (from subscription bonuses/buddy rewards) and the intentionally-nostalgic stuff (Ultros minion, Scion dolls, etc) and the cash shop mounts (Sleip for sure, Twin by extension of shelling out 60 bucks paid by either you or a friend) fall into the "Thank you for being a loyal customer" category of the fence.

 

Putting an easter egg in the form of an S-Rank description or a random fish is probably less likely.

[Caspar]

Novelty items are a novelty.

 

Idunno, it's in the flavor text. :angel:

It could be canon, we don't know and no argument against ot or in favor of it holds any real weight.

 

You can bet your ass someone actually canonically has sleipnir ICly in the RP community.

[Maril]

/Modhat on 

 

Please keep a calm tone everyone. I'd like to remind people low-effort posting is not allowed. You can see the rule, and examples of a low effort post here.

 

/Modhat off.

[111]

Why not just let the devs decide? If you don't like the lore, don't engage with that segment of it, rather than making the shaky claim that a scene or bit of ingame text wasn't canon without any definitive answer. As we've established, plenty of "lore-adherents" take liberties too. Until a definite answer is revealed, your assertion of canon really just is ignoring sonething that isnt to your taste.

 

How is the claim that it isn't canon any more shaky than the claim that it is canon? We've seen ample evidence that flavor text can be non-canon, just as I'm sure there are examples of things such as questlines or dialogue confirming something asserted in the flavor text of an item.

I mean the problem with this thought is that it even implies the /name/ isn't canon.

[Oli!]

What if the vampire legends come from the bats and not actual vampires?

 

So, why would a bat need to turn into another bat?

 

 

The same reason a Pokémon would want to turn into another Pokémon.

 

ULTIMATE POWER.

[Martiallais]

All I know is I hope vampires are bullet proof from all the MCH shots being fired in this thread. I don't know how many more 'Oh snap' gifs I can find on the internet!

 

I think this is just going to be one of those things that 'most' people consider bad form (like saying you have the actual, one of a kind artifact weapon or some other rare item) but is acceptable in whatever group you play/rp with. Different strokes, different folks and all that. Thankfully the Balmung sandbox is big enough that you should be able to find someone that'll go along with it despite what others think.

 

I'm just...surprised the thread has gone on this long to be perfectly honest.

 

.........

 

Also I hope someone gives me an invite when we start the Ishgardian Underground Monster Wrestling Linkshell, I'm rolling up a werewolf for that RITE NAO.

[Val]

Novelty items are a novelty.

 

Idunno, it's in the flavor text. :angel:

It could be canon, we don't know and no argument against ot or in favor of it holds any real weight.

 

You can bet your ass someone actually canonically has sleipnir ICly in the RP community.

 

Oh yeah, I really don't doubt it. And I don't doubt somewhere someone has single-handedly beaten Bahamut either.

[Val]

Why not just let the devs decide? If you don't like the lore, don't engage with that segment of it, rather than making the shaky claim that a scene or bit of ingame text wasn't canon without any definitive answer. As we've established, plenty of "lore-adherents" take liberties too. Until a definite answer is revealed, your assertion of canon really just is ignoring sonething that isnt to your taste.

 

How is the claim that it isn't canon any more shaky than the claim that it is canon? We've seen ample evidence that flavor text can be non-canon, just as I'm sure there are examples of things such as questlines or dialogue confirming something asserted in the flavor text of an item.

I mean the problem with this thought is that it even implies the /name/ isn't canon.

 

A name is a name, and this isn't our world. They could name a chair a bridge and it wouldn't make it the bridge we know. It'd still be a chair.