Selling housing now illegal?

[Aoi Fukiku]

First gm says they don't condone it. Others saying it isn't breaking the tos.

 

MAKE UP YOUR MINDS!!!!! 

 

□:<

[Kage]

I was thinking about it more closely. The two images about GMs saying it is fine are from an EU poster.

 

I was told by a friend I used to PVE with a lot, from the UK or so. He wanted to get an account from his friend who stopped playing or had had issues with. The account had his friend's name.

 

So from an NA view, no right?

 

But his name and his credit card was the one paying for the subscription the entire time and for the license etc.

 

He got that account 'back'

[Leggerless]

It's kinda like parsers, this whole argument. Saying that using them can get you banned but people do it anyway. Especially with the "Please don't do it" attitude Square's heralding.

 

Another piece of proof I just found through 3 minutes of forum searching.

[Kage]

It's kinda like parsers, this whole argument. Saying that using them can get you banned but people do it anyway. Especially with the "Please don't do it" attitude Square's heralding.

 

Another piece of proof I just found through 3 minutes of forum searching.

Yep I've been going through this since yesterday on reddit and on the official forums.

 

Right now I'm seeing NA GMs and NA support desk saying AND WARNING people not to do it. Reminder that the warning is applied -account wide-.

 

EU Support Desk is saying differently.

[Kage]

Here's a fuckton of links I got.

 

I encouraged this user to make a thread after they posted on reddit with their screenshot of the NA support desk telling them that Sale of housing or land is a breach after I showed them that it's possible to use /echo to fake tells.

 

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/276865-GM-Please-take-notice.-Make-statement-on-housing.

 

EU GM team saying "nah not a breach"

 

NA team saying yes

 

 

[Pascaleret]

I'm under the impression that the troll PFs and house flippers(as in people who recently bought a house during the reclamation with the sole purpose of selling) are the reason GMs are suddenly cracking down on house selling. I don't know if that's true or not, just the feeling I'm getting from the whole mess.

[Cassandra]

According to the official forums and I believe reddit, that initial screeny in the OP was doctored. GMs usually don't have their title in their name, as far as I know. That said, we're still getting a lot of confusion, but I can't see them actually banning anyone. People have sold houses in PF since it became a thing. Did Square just not notice until now?

[Cassandra]

I'm under the impression that the troll PFs and house flippers(as in people who recently bought a house during the reclamation with the sole purpose of selling) are the reason GMs are suddenly cracking down on house selling. I don't know if that's true or not, just the feeling I'm getting from the whole mess.

 

I tend to agree. A lot of people flipped houses via their alts. If they made it so a house purchase was account wide, provided they were on the same server (all your alts could access it), this wouldn't have even been an issue. Honestly, Yoshi's team is far too trusting of people.

[Kage]

According to the official forums and I believe reddit, that initial screeny in the OP was doctored. GMs usually don't have their title in their name, as far as I know. That said, we're still getting a lot of confusion, but I can't see them actually banning anyone. People have sold houses in PF since it became a thing. Did Square just not notice until now?

 

Yes that was covered a few months ago.

http://ffxiv-roleplayers.com/showthread.php?tid=13527&pid=214211#pid214211

 

Here is a long post I made about it here

http://exkage.tumblr.com/post/136057146470/i-see-this-image-being-posted-again-as-a-citation

 

And also posting updates here and in this post

http://exkage.tumblr.com/post/136111439770/exkage-users-on-reddit-have-been-reporting

[Kellach Woods]

Square doesn't notice jack shit on anything. They require tickets and reports to actually investigate anything. Parsers themselves, unless they break the game on server-side, won't be noticed unless someone in that raid group sends in a ticket saying player was using unauthorized 3rd party tools.

 

The reason why they're investigating the fake PF bullshit is that it can easily lead to scamming the playerbase. Which is something they definitely don't want.

[Kage]

Fairly sure what happened is that they didn't get the amount of reports that went out at RareX in an earlier time.

 

As I've already mentioned, I had had a thread in the official forums deleted as it advertised the sale of my medium goblet house.

 

No warning to my SE account but a notice that my thread was deleted. I didn't post in PF so likely I didn't get reported.

 

Now, they got a shitton of reports and started to act more on it. Most likely.

[111]

The way all these things have been mishandled I'm really starting to question the Dev team.

 

They have this weird way of forbidding things and then just letting them happen. Parsers were one thing mentioned, Lotteries are another, housing is one too.

 

Basically it encourages people who don't follow the rules, as there are no consequences for breaking them. If you try to do what the GMs want you're going to lose out, as others will jump ahead of you and do it anyway.

 

Even the ability to sell Eternal bond bracelets for money, Yoshi P was like "Please don't do that" and then took no steps to prevent it. Win trading in PVP is the same way.

 

Things need to be cut and dry, either they're against the ToS or they aren't. Getting real tired of these rules that aren't clear or enforced.

[Kellach Woods]

Won't be the dev team on this one sadly, that'd be more up to production. Dev team can set up their rules as much as they want but it's up to production to ensure that everyone else is on the same page.

[Oli!]

Although the dev team and the production / oversight team are two separate entities at first glance, they are nonetheless merely the left and right arms of a larger entity.

 

The fact that they aren't coordinated, or the fact that one or the other is not doing their job very well, can still be a source of disappointment for people, especially since a failure to do their jobs on an individual level still reflects poorly on the entity that they serve.

[Kellach Woods]

Although the dev team and the production / oversight team are two separate entities at first glance, they are nonetheless merely the left and right arms of a larger entity.

 

The fact that they aren't coordinated, or the fact that one or the other is not doing their job very well, can still be a source of disappointment for people, especially since a failure to do their jobs on an individual level still reflects poorly on the entity that they serve.

 

Oh for sure. I'm just clarifying that it may just be "fuck SE" rather than "fuck Yoshi P" or whatever the youngins say these days.

 

Production hiccups = Bad times for everyone.

[Dat Oni]

The way all these things have been mishandled I'm really starting to question the Dev team.

 

They have this weird way of forbidding things and then just letting them happen. Parsers were one thing mentioned, Lotteries are another, housing is one too.

 

Basically it encourages people who don't follow the rules, as there are no consequences for breaking them. If you try to do what the GMs want you're going to lose out, as others will jump ahead of you and do it anyway.

 

Even the ability to sell Eternal bond bracelets for money,  Yoshi P was like "Please don't do that" and then took no steps to prevent it. Win trading in PVP is the same way.

 

Things need to be cut and dry, either they're against the ToS or they aren't. Getting real tired of these rules that aren't clear or enforced.

 

This post sums up my thoughts on the matter rather nicely, I feel. You'd think it'd be common sense that you can't maintain order if your own Development team can't decide on what the rules are.

[Lost River]

It is either that or they clearly care primarily for their JP customer base only. Or, as said earlier, possibly said team doesn't speak English well on the GM department.

[Oli!]

It is either that or they clearly care primarily for their JP customer base only. Or, as said earlier, possibly said team doesn't speak English well on the GM department.

 

Considering the scale of SquareEnix as a company, I'm sure that they've hired English-speaking staff that lives in the West in order to service members of their Western release.

[Kellach Woods]

Pretty sure they have dedicated teams per data center.

[Allegro]

That specific GM was the one who "Assisted" my guild in an incident that happened awhile back on Balmung where our Free Company Master had locked the house and refused to let anyone out of the FC. A few of us tried every channel of support and every channel gave us macros, and that they had no "power" to assist us. This GM specifically dodged around every question I had about if any action would be done to get me and other members out. A week or two almost passed before we were fed up and the FC master literally told us to give her furniture or she wouldnt let us out. The GMs never helped, and never assisted us. And mentioning this got me banned for a week from the FFXIV official forums.

 

The GMs and team in this game are absolutely terrible.

[LadyRochester]

That specific GM was the one who "Assisted" my guild in an incident that happened awhile back on Balmung where our Free Company Master had locked the house and refused to let anyone out of the FC. A few of us tried every channel of support and every channel gave us macros, and that they had no "power" to assist us. This GM specifically dodged around every question I had about if any action would be done to get me and other members out. A week or two almost passed before we were fed up and the FC master literally told us to give her furniture or she wouldnt let us out. The GMs never helped, and never assisted us. And mentioning this got me banned for a week from the FFXIV official forums.

 

The GMs and team in this game are absolutely terrible.

 

Pardon my ignorance, but how can someone lock you in an FC house? Can't you just teleport away or log out and back in to re-appear outside the estate? I can understand being locked out, but not in.

[Unnamed Mercenary]

That specific GM was the one who "Assisted" my guild in an incident that happened awhile back on Balmung where our Free Company Master had locked the house and refused to let anyone out of the FC. A few of us tried every channel of support and every channel gave us macros, and that they had no "power" to assist us. This GM specifically dodged around every question I had about if any action would be done to get me and other members out. A week or two almost passed before we were fed up and the FC master literally told us to give her furniture or she wouldnt let us out. The GMs never helped, and never assisted us. And mentioning this got me banned for a week from the FFXIV official forums.

 

The GMs and team in this game are absolutely terrible.

 

Pardon my ignorance, but how can someone lock you in an FC house? Can't you just teleport away or log out and back in to re-appear outside the estate? I can understand being locked out, but not in.

 

FC members can be locked out of their house, which means if they have a personal room, they can't destroy it, effectively being held hostage in the FC.

[LadyRochester]

That specific GM was the one who "Assisted" my guild in an incident that happened awhile back on Balmung where our Free Company Master had locked the house and refused to let anyone out of the FC. A few of us tried every channel of support and every channel gave us macros, and that they had no "power" to assist us. This GM specifically dodged around every question I had about if any action would be done to get me and other members out. A week or two almost passed before we were fed up and the FC master literally told us to give her furniture or she wouldnt let us out. The GMs never helped, and never assisted us. And mentioning this got me banned for a week from the FFXIV official forums.

 

The GMs and team in this game are absolutely terrible.

 

Pardon my ignorance, but how can someone lock you in an FC house? Can't you just teleport away or log out and back in to re-appear outside the estate? I can understand being locked out, but not in.

 

FC members can be locked out of their house, which means if they have a personal room, they can't destroy it, effectively being held hostage in the FC.

 

Oh goodness, I feel stupid now. That makes sense. I do have to ask, how did the event turn out? I hope that FC leader is kicked or out of the game.

[Hyakki]

That specific GM was the one who "Assisted" my guild in an incident that happened awhile back on Balmung where our Free Company Master had locked the house and refused to let anyone out of the FC. A few of us tried every channel of support and every channel gave us macros, and that they had no "power" to assist us. This GM specifically dodged around every question I had about if any action would be done to get me and other members out. A week or two almost passed before we were fed up and the FC master literally told us to give her furniture or she wouldnt let us out. The GMs never helped, and never assisted us. And mentioning this got me banned for a week from the FFXIV official forums.

 

The GMs and team in this game are absolutely terrible.

 

Pardon my ignorance, but how can someone lock you in an FC house? Can't you just teleport away or log out and back in to re-appear outside the estate? I can understand being locked out, but not in.

 

FC members can be locked out of their house, which means if they have a personal room, they can't destroy it, effectively being held hostage in the FC.

 

Oh goodness, I feel stupid now. That makes sense. I do have to ask, how did the event turn out? I hope that FC leader is kicked or out of the game.

 

Nope. They're still playing, still own the house, no punishment whatsoever. GMs didn't do shit about it.

The only reason people got out was because the player that lead in their absence gave into their demands for furniture/gil.

 

I was one of many that reported the FC leader for harassment, the GM said they could not accept reports made on behalf of another player and even though we said Allegro was right there in front of us, waiting for a GM to speak to, the GM said they could only address Allegro in the order the tickets were received even though they sent one long before any of us did.

 

GM support in this game is a joke.

[Kage]

That specific GM was the one who "Assisted" my guild in an incident that happened awhile back on Balmung where our Free Company Master had locked the house and refused to let anyone out of the FC. A few of us tried every channel of support and every channel gave us macros, and that they had no "power" to assist us. This GM specifically dodged around every question I had about if any action would be done to get me and other members out. A week or two almost passed before we were fed up and the FC master literally told us to give her furniture or she wouldnt let us out. The GMs never helped, and never assisted us. And mentioning this got me banned for a week from the FFXIV official forums.

 

The GMs and team in this game are absolutely terrible.

 

Pardon my ignorance, but how can someone lock you in an FC house? Can't you just teleport away or log out and back in to re-appear outside the estate? I can understand being locked out, but not in.

 

FC members can be locked out of their house, which means if they have a personal room, they can't destroy it, effectively being held hostage in the FC.

 

Oh goodness, I feel stupid now. That makes sense. I do have to ask, how did the event turn out? I hope that FC leader is kicked or out of the game.

 

Nope. They're still playing, still own the house, no punishment whatsoever. GMs didn't do shit about it.

The only reason people got out was because the player that lead in their absence gave into their demands for furniture/gil.

 

I was one of many that reported the FC leader for harassment, the GM said they could not accept reports made on behalf of another player and even though we said Allegro was right there in front of us, waiting for a GM to speak to, the GM said they could only address Allegro in the order the tickets were received even though they sent one long before any of us did.

 

GM support in this game is a joke.

The FC leader in this instance is one of those I honestly would not mind naming and shaming on the official forum or here but alas.

 

Unfortunately, in this instance, I do not believe the GM even knew what the problem (what kept everyone from just leaving) is or was. They didn't have the power to do anything about the housing keeping them locked issue (I'm at work but I've read a few things here or there about what usual powers GMs have and don't have.) but they really should have dealt with the issue involved with the FC leader griefing people.

 

Tiergan, with Tiergan's FC help, was only able to recreate the issue in a -very specific- circumstance. Guest Access to the Estate must be turned off. The GMs, most likely as most of us didn't know, that people couldn't remove furnishings if they have 0 privileges, No Estate Hall Access -AND- Guests cannot enter the estate.