RDM in RP Yes or no?

[Daciana Sangebautor]

Wanted to know the general thought here? X'rhun doesn't really seem to opposed to teaching new people how to be a RDM (Admittedly due to huge queues I'm not far in the quest line yet.) so it doesn't seem like it'd be as big a deal as BLM or WHM in RP.

 

So what's the general consensus atm? Is RDM RP-able and generally accepted or best to just be done in small circles, and public RP do something else?

[Virella]

As far as I've read, I think it might be possible if your character is an older Ala Mhigan? They really seem to be going down the Fist of Rhalgr route. There might be some Ala Mhigans still around who are capable of teaching it? But unlike the Fist of Rhalgr, you don't have to be screeching around Rhalgr's praises.

 

Personally I don't feel comfortable with having my characters being taught by special NPCs.

 

But I only skimmed trough the quests, so I could be completely wrong. But I feel it might be okay to be done as an older Ala Mhigan, or being taught by one. Once more, unlike Fists, you don't have to be religiously crazy, nor does it seem like a lifestyle/path.

 

BUT I COULD BE COMPLETELY WRONG.

 

I hope someone who did the quests can give better advice than I can.

 

Edit: Wasn't there also some mention of Sharlayans having the craft as well now? Due to X'rhun travelling there? Once again, only skimmed trough the quests ect!

[Daciana Sangebautor]

Oh yeah I was more thinking using someone else to teach it "if" possible. It just seems like a magic discipline that's less taboo so far.

[Teadrinker]

RDM is next on my list and I plan on creating one. I can pipe back in here when I have more to offer.

[Valence]

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Alisaie has been trained the very basics (her words) by that same RDM trainer I believe. That's where she tells you she always felt rapiers kind of awkward, thus why she used a very taxing aetherial blade of her own.

[Arashin Kujqai]

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Alisaie has been trained the very basics (her words) by that same RDM trainer I believe. That's where she tells you she always felt rapiers kind of awkward, thus why she used a very taxing aetherial blade of her own.

 

 

 

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Doesn't Urianger give her a rapier though? When did she say she was uncomfortable using them ?

 

 

I'd like to know just how broad the line for learning red magic is honestly. According to an end quest(which I won't reveal the details of), it seems like learning thaumaturgy or conjury gets you started to learn the basics of red magic. However I don't fully understand if that means you require a job stone or if you can be self taught somehow. X'ruhn is the only trainer it seems and he's just handing out stones.... But surely that could mean he's given one to someone else in his time and they could teach or provide you with the knowledge/stone you need?

 

I feel job stones are a bit of a nuisance for me in my story atm as it seems you need one to fully understand the limits of the class. Which leads into a character having to find one, whether off a corpse, lost in a casm somewhere you found, or given to you specifically by the trainer.

[Skae]

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I feel job stones are a bit of a nuisance for me in my story atm as it seems you need one to fully understand the limits of the class. Which leads into a character having to find one, whether off a corpse, lost in a casm somewhere you found, or given to you specifically by the trainer.

 

I think you can learn most jobs just fine without a soulstone - it will just take a lot more time. They are mostly just there to explain how we can learn things in a few weeks that really should take several years to learn properly.

Whoever first invented the job would not have had a soulstone, and for entirely new jobs (like MCH) there won't be any old soulstones to learn from.

[Arashin Kujqai]

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I feel job stones are a bit of a nuisance for me in my story atm as it seems you need one to fully understand the limits of the class. Which leads into a character having to find one, whether off a corpse, lost in a casm somewhere you found, or given to you specifically by the trainer.

 

I think you can learn most jobs just fine without a soulstone - it will just take a lot more time.  They are mostly just there to explain how we can learn things in a few weeks that really should take several years to learn properly.

Whoever first invented the job would not have had a soulstone, and for entirely new jobs (like MCH) there won't be any old soulstones to learn from.

You're a life saver <3, finally I can work on my wiki and begin RP'ing again!

[Silmanos]

Somemjobs actually require a soulstone in order to learn. Jobs such as Dragoon and Black Mage are perfect examples. Dragoon requires it in order to properly jump and Black Mage requires it otherwise you will combust. I can't say for certain about Red Mage just yet because I haven't gotten too far but considering it is a dsicipline in which you cast Black and White Magic with your personal reserves I'd imagine there is potential you might need to avoid combustion like Black Mage. Someone who has completed the quests would know more though. 

 

 

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As for Alisae's mention about the rapier, she tells the WoL that she felt more comfortable using an aetheric blade over rapiers in the msq. She also specifically mentions how dangerous it was and how much of a godsend the one she was given is.

 

[Nebbs]

Well on the RDM quest..

 

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The lost girl is just allowed to become a Red Mage and you get to train her. It does not seem the requirements are that tough at all, or the training that difficult. In fact early on you are told you can train yourself. X'rhun Tia: "Worry not, . Your grasp of red magic will allow you to grow without the need for a teacher."

 

[Virella]

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Well on the RDM quest..

 

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The lost girl is just allowed to become a Red Mage and you get to train her. It does not seem the requirements are that tough at all, or the training that difficult. In fact early on you are told you can train yourself. X'rhun Tia: "Worry not, . Your grasp of red magic will allow you to grow without the need for a teacher."

 

 

Yeah but let us be real, is this another instance of the Warrior of Light slapping his head against a wall and learning skills out of nowhere, or your average peasant being capable of learning without having a teacher?

 

It's probably the former

[Kage]

RDM seemed extremely open to just teaching it as long as you have a teacher. The guy just goes oh hey here you go. Alisaie learned from the same guy who ends up being the RDM teacher so I never got the same "restricted" or forbidden vibe from RDM as BLM or WHM got.

[PhantasticPanda]

Its probably not restricted as BLM or WHM because as Red Magic developed over the course of centuries, its aim was to build a style of magic from its foundations that could not harm the world through the use of channeling ambient aether as BLM and WHM did. Thaumaturgy is often referenced in the questline due to its similarities of channeling from your internal aether reserves. And many practices that could be seen as potentially harmful, such as anything involving void magic, is forbidden from use, so that neither would be part of its core teachings. Its methods will never be as powerful as BLM and WHM.

 

 

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Personally I'd think its more accessible. The rise of the Crimson Duelists and their acceptance in society and their aid to the Ala Mhigans and Ala Mhigan Resistance should be a major point of how accessible it may be

 

[Kerrath]

my answer is it wouldn't bother me for someone to RP a RDM around me.

 

for me, there is no job that intrinsically bothers me if someone RPs that job, AS LONG AS the player abides by the lore surrounding it. Sometimes that places very strict requirements on your character. If you abide by those strict requirements, though, no problem. 

 

with that in mind, i have seen no indication that RDM has any strict requirements in place that cement you into playing a certain type of character. There are no race requirements, no gender requirements, no employment requirements, and no age requirements. at best, you might require that someone has, at some point, travelled to ala mhigo, or had a friend in their past who was ala mhigan.

[Arashin Kujqai]

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Somemjobs actually require a soulstone in order to learn. Jobs such as Dragoon and Black Mage are perfect examples. Dragoon requires it in order to properly jump and Black Mage requires it otherwise you will combust. I can't say for certain about Red Mage just yet because I haven't gotten too far but considering it is a dsicipline in which you cast Black and White Magic with your personal reserves I'd imagine there is potential you might need to avoid combustion like Black Mage. Someone who has completed the quests would know more though. 

 

 

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As for Alisae's mention about the rapier, she tells the WoL that she felt more comfortable using an aetheric blade over rapiers in the msq. She also specifically mentions how dangerous it was and how much of a godsend the one she was given is.

 

 

 

 

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Do you remember what cutscene or if it was in one I can watch? I'm curious

 

[Gegenji]

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Somemjobs actually require a soulstone in order to learn. Jobs such as Dragoon and Black Mage are perfect examples. Dragoon requires it in order to properly jump and Black Mage requires it otherwise you will combust. I can't say for certain about Red Mage just yet because I haven't gotten too far but considering it is a dsicipline in which you cast Black and White Magic with your personal reserves I'd imagine there is potential you might need to avoid combustion like Black Mage. Someone who has completed the quests would know more though. 

 

 

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As for Alisae's mention about the rapier, she tells the WoL that she felt more comfortable using an aetheric blade over rapiers in the msq. She also specifically mentions how dangerous it was and how much of a godsend the one she was given is.

 

 

 

 

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Do you remember what cutscene or if it was in one I can watch? I'm curious

 

 

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She mentions it in the MSQ bit when you return to Yanxia from the Steppe. Specifically, it's that scene when you're out investigating with her and you tell her "You've grown strong" when you see she's beaten up a tiger.

 

[Arashin Kujqai]

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Somemjobs actually require a soulstone in order to learn. Jobs such as Dragoon and Black Mage are perfect examples. Dragoon requires it in order to properly jump and Black Mage requires it otherwise you will combust. I can't say for certain about Red Mage just yet because I haven't gotten too far but considering it is a dsicipline in which you cast Black and White Magic with your personal reserves I'd imagine there is potential you might need to avoid combustion like Black Mage. Someone who has completed the quests would know more though. 

 

 

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As for Alisae's mention about the rapier, she tells the WoL that she felt more comfortable using an aetheric blade over rapiers in the msq. She also specifically mentions how dangerous it was and how much of a godsend the one she was given is.

 

 

 

 

 

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Do you remember what cutscene or if it was in one I can watch? I'm curious

 

 

 

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She mentions it in the MSQ bit when you return to Yanxia from the Steppe. Specifically, it's that scene when you're out investigating with her and you tell her "You've grown strong" when you see she's beaten up a tiger.

 

 

Dang it... I remember that scene but I think I skimmed that bit x.x

[Valence]

Are you sure about the DRG soulstone being necessary for the jumps? Jumps have always been something rather elusive to point out from where exactly that power comes from, and I'm rather interested to know more if you have any material in mind on the matter (lorebook maybe? I don't remember the part on DRG well).

 

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I feel job stones are a bit of a nuisance for me in my story atm as it seems you need one to fully understand the limits of the class. Which leads into a character having to find one, whether off a corpse, lost in a casm somewhere you found, or given to you specifically by the trainer.

 

I think you can learn most jobs just fine without a soulstone - it will just take a lot more time.  They are mostly just there to explain how we can learn things in a few weeks that really should take several years to learn properly.

Whoever first invented the job would not have had a soulstone, and for entirely new jobs (like MCH) there won't be any old soulstones to learn from.

 

Baring a few specific jobs like MCH and BLM where the soulstone is in the first case mandatory for the job to work, and the latter, not to burn your insides in the process.

 

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Doesn't Urianger give her a rapier though? When did she say she was uncomfortable using them

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Yes it's a bit weird when she tells you that. It seems to be implied even when Urianger offers her that blade that he made sure to make something very unique and suiting her.

 

I tend to believe him considering the look of that sword...

[Tyndles]

I think if you're playing a Red Mage in the beginner learning stages, it's fine. Unless you are playing someone in Ala Mhigo, then more advanced is very doable.

[Yssen]

The art seems pretty easy to pick up from quest dialogue and relatively wide spread. Gyr Abania may have been where it started but there is also mention of it being taken to the Sharlayans. There are a couple people saying "must be Ala Mhigan" but I think that really only applies if one is trying to be a Crimson Duelist (which would seem difficult to be at this point because reasons). The quest is pretty clear that all Crimson Duelists were Red Mages, but not all Red Mages were Crimson Duelists. RDM is actually one of the more open jobs out there in terms of lore.

[Nebbs]

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The art seems pretty easy to pick up from quest dialogue and relatively wide spread. Gyr Abania may have been where it started but there is also mention of it being taken to the Sharlayans. There are a couple people saying "must be Ala Mhigan" but I think that really only applies if one is trying to be a Crimson Duelist (which would seem difficult to be at this point because reasons). The quest is pretty clear that all Crimson Duelists were Red Mages, but not all Red Mages were Crimson Duelists. RDM is actually one of the more open jobs out there in terms of lore.

 

Yes good points, and given that the Crimson Duelists, as well as others that may have learned, can move about then I would suggest you could work it into a back story in many ways.

 

Also it could still fit into finding the Crimson Duelists and learning more advanced forms from them.

 

Personally I left it as someone she met on one of her sea voyages.. , ♪ I met a strange man, he made me nervous. He took me in and gave me breakfast. And he said ♪ ... "here try this blade out.."  the rest is history, and now she finds the Crimson Blades to refine her basic style (maybe).