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[Corvanther]

 Yes I call them Mithra. In any event I am curious how relationships would work in a Mithra tribe. Now the leader of the tribe is the only one allowed to breed with the females, cause he is the toughest and we don't want any weak babies, I assume. None of the other males get any females. What about blood relations of the leader? Do they go to other tribes? Do they just stay childless? I would assume they do not breed with their daughters/sisters/mother. Is there an alpha female in the tribe to?

[D'ly]

Miqo'te, talking specifically Seekers of the Sun males...

 

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For a male Seeker of the Sun, there are only two positions available—breeding males (nunh – pronounced ‘noon’) and all others (tia – pronounced ‘tea-ah’). All males are born as tia. At any time in their lives, a tia can challenge the tribe nunh to battle. If the tia is victorious, he takes the nunh’s place as tribe breeding male (until he is challenged and defeated), and the nunh becomes a tia once again (if he survives the ordeal). This is done to ensure that the tribe’s offspring are of the finest stock. Depending on its size, a tribe may have multiple nunh (a ratio of one nunh per ten to fifty females is average).

 

There is only one other way a tia can become a nunh, and that is to leave his tribe, and start his own. This, of course, requires several females to accomplish, and most female Seekers of the Sun are rarely impressed by a male who cannot defeat a nunh.

 

Nunh status does not equate to leadership within a tribe, and in fact, very few nunh ever become leaders.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/61150-Miqo-te-Naming-Conventions

 

I'm not sure about information on the other topics, but here's what I could help with.

[Unnamed Mercenary]

Miqo'te tribes work pretty differently than anything a Mithra tribe would have done.

 

I'm also assuming you are talking about Seekers of the Sun tribes, as Keepers of the Moon clans function quite differently. In either case, both are quite matriarchal in who's in charge and who typically does most of the work.

 

Miqo'te males are typically born less often than females. This is more of a sliding ratio and could be as common as one male to five females, to maybe one maybe to every fifteen females. Our lore given is that" nature simply provides more females" for them.

 

In Seekers of the Sun, all males are given a surname of either Nunh or Tia. These denote whether the tribe sees them fit for breeding or not. A nunh is not necessarily the leader of the tribe. In fact, it's repeated in game multiple times that both Seeker examples we've been shown are out of the ordinary by having male leaders. (GJ on showing your own lore, SE). Given that the average life expectency of a typical person in FFXIV's setting is about 40-50 years old because of the many dangers one may experience, it's possible that a nunh would be around long enough to have children of breeding age, but I haven't heard of any cases of direct-blood incest from father->daughter. It is surely possible that siblings or cousins may copulate. 

 

However, a tribe may have more than one nunh. We're told there may be a nunh for about every 50-ish or so tribe members, so a large enough tribe probably has multiple nunhs and genetic diversity could be maintained. Somewhat. A tia can always leave his tribe and start his own, becoming the de-facto nunh of that tribe. (Whether or not it survives). There are also a number of city-dwelling Miqo'te who likely have adapted from their tribal lifestyles to some degree.

For more in-depth lore, I'd suggest the forum topic/post search or checking out Sounsyy's lore compilation over here: https://ffxiv-roleplayers.com/mybb/showthread.php?tid=17897 (Getting it cleaned up for InvisionPower Board has been a bit of a....hurdle.)

[Corvanther]

I just call them Mithra, because that is kind of what they are. I call the green guys Galkas, the little dudes Tarus. It makes sense to a lot of people. I was just curious what a chars past would be like when you only had the one alpha male in the tribe and he was your dad. I have only seen the little tribes, the one in south Thanalan and the one in the peaks. I just didn't want any creepyness in there. Well, what I would consider creepy not what she would.

[Warren Castille]

2 hours ago, Corvanther said:

I just call them Mithra, because that is kind of what they are. I call the green guys Galkas, the little dudes Tarus. It makes sense to a lot of people. I was just curious what a chars past would be like when you only had the one alpha male in the tribe and he was your dad. I have only seen the little tribes, the one in south Thanalan and the one in the peaks. I just didn't want any creepyness in there. Well, what I would consider creepy not what she would.

 

It doesn't make sense, this isn't FFXI.

[Nebbs]

Mosquitoes, I think they are a common delicacy of the Miqo'te people that they sell in the street. Some kind of spiced meat & veg in flat bread?

 

They may be used in mating rituals and food fights, followed by cleaning rituals.

[Donpom]

The M tribe of Gyr Abania has had the same nunh for a few decades now, likely due to the Garlean strangehold on the area preventing any competitors from finding the tribe, let alone challenge the current nunh. Most of the npcs are his daughters, and they're all young adults. There are no M tribe npcs in the area that are training and practicing like there are in U tribe, suggesting that none of the npcs are still in training or much younger than working age. This implies the nunh made the wise choice of not inbreeding with his daughters, despite this kind of stagnation being unhealthy for the tribe. Additionally, there are no other male miqote in the tribe, suggesting that any sons he's had have flown the coop rather than stick around when the only romantic options are family. And while the only canon npc who's competing for nunhship is technically a member of the M tribe already, he's distinctly of a different bloodline than all the girls.

 

Basically, even though SE set up a family system that *could* get real creepy real fast, they've made some effort to keep it from getting bad.

[Valence]

5 hours ago, Corvanther said:

I was just curious what a chars past would be like when you only had the one alpha male in the tribe and he was your dad. I have only seen the little tribes, the one in south Thanalan and the one in the peaks. I just didn't want any creepyness in there. Well, what I would consider creepy not what she would.

 

I don't recall anything touching that subject in the lore. 

 

35 minutes ago, Donpom said:

The M tribe of Gyr Abania has had the same nunh for a few decades now, likely due to the Garlean strangehold on the area preventing any competitors from finding the tribe, let alone challenge the current nunh. Most of the npcs are his daughters, and they're all young adults. There are no M tribe npcs in the area that are training and practicing like there are in U tribe, suggesting that none of the npcs are still in training or much younger than working age. This implies the nunh made the wise choice of not inbreeding with his daughters, despite this kind of stagnation being unhealthy for the tribe. Additionally, there are no other male miqote in the tribe, suggesting that any sons he's had have flown the coop rather than stick around when the only romantic options are family. And while the only canon npc who's competing for nunhship is technically a member of the M tribe already, he's distinctly of a different bloodline than all the girls.

 

Basically, even though SE set up a family system that *could* get real creepy real fast, they've made some effort to keep it from getting bad.

 

Nothing tells us that all of the M tribe females are of the same father, since the other nunh was still there decades ago. I don't see why some of them wouldn't be his daughters.

 

It's possible that the current nunh only mates with half of the female population of the tribe.

 

It's also possible that some older females are still around, from other bloodlines. We can see M'naago's mother among them, who's certainly not the daughter of M'naago's father...

Edited March 31, 2018 by Valence

[Sounsyy]

I think all of the lore on Tribal Seekers of the Sun can be found in the link. 

 

The assumption is that most Nunhs will not last in their position long enough that their only potential mates become their own children. For instance, U'odh Nunh has only been a Nunh of the U Tribe for 5 years. M'rahz is sort of a special case in that his tribe became stagnated by the Garlean occupation in the region and over those 20 years there were no other males to take up the mantle from him, as the other Nunh self exiled himself for the good of the tribe. So theoretically M'rahz took over mating both female populations. But the fact stands that after 20+ years, he does have children of child-bearing age, but there are no implications made in game that he is mates with his daughters or that there's any expectation there for him to do so. Assuming M'zhet Tia doesn't ever take over the mantle of Nunh, it's possible that that sect of the M tribe might actually die out or disperse to find other tribes when all potential partners are spent.  

[Donpom]

@Valence You're right, sorry I was referring to the young adult population exclusively. I meant that there are no girls that seem much younger than 20. As for the actual age range though, there's no way to tell bc displaying Oldness™ in women in video games must be illegal or something. Through the clever use of context clues though, any of the older women, like M'naago's mom, would be of similar age of the nunh himself and therefore not his children.

 

Having thought about this, I want to suggest that the nunh doesn't choose what women he sleeps with... the women choose whether they want to sleep with a nunh. A nunh is in the correct position for mating in the tribe, but due to the emphasis that he's not automatically an authoritative figure, *this* might be the point that SE is communicating when they say that a nunh is typically not a leader, despite, like what Unnamed Mercenary said, all the canon nunhs we encounter appear to be leaders. That the women don't belong to the nunh and they're not his to control. 

 

The role that M'rahz, the nunh of M tribe, plays within his tribe is more that of an advisor than someone giving orders, and you can see he never directly tells anyone what to do. In any tribe, the woman are the majority and the ones doing the work (w/m ratio 10:1 - 50:1 excluding children), they'd hate to see their agency taken away by a bully just because he's the strongest individual guy. So rather than a typical harem-style setup, I think that it's the women who choose if it's worth it to sleep with any particular nunh, with little input on his part. And it's M'rahz daughters who avoid being gross and make the wise decision not to sleep with their own dad.

Edited March 31, 2018 by Donpom

[Unnamed Mercenary]

43 minutes ago, Donpom said:

they'd hate to see their agency taken away by a bully just because he's the strongest individual guy

 

On a side note, this is actually a FATE over with the Keepers of the Moon.