Personal Housing Thread 2.0

[Chika Ito]

I've been reading the posts as they appear about personal housing. Here is my input;

 

Personal housing is something that I know a lot of my friends have been looking forward to. I, myself, have been hoping for it for a while. To the point all the last bit of August, and the start of September, I was doing nothing but grinding out gil constantly. Hours upon hours spent, and now it seems that I have just wasted my time. Myself, as one person (even with the help of a few friends), can only obtain so much gil at one time. I fell 1.5 million short of the cheapest house. To have come so close, and yet be so far, is disappointing. 

 

Here is where I am upset; they rushed. It is clearly evident that they rushed so quick to produce an item that majority of the player base wanted. Instead of saying (like someone mentioned earlier) 'we do not have the resources or space to do personal housing' or 'hey it's a huge undertaking it will be a long time yet, but we'll get there' they just did copy and paste coding from Free Company housing. Only perk you don't have to be in a Rank 6 Free Company in order to purchase one. That's it. Not only do you have to compete with large amount of other players for housing, you also have to fight with Free Companies. Personally I am glad I couldn't afford a house because I'd be taking a home from a company that probably worked for months to get a plot. NOTE! I am not condemning anyone for getting a house. I'm just saying I'm happy I couldn't because of my views on it.

 

They should have taken a lot more time with this project. Waited until they could have the server space to produce neighborhoods, not wards, for personal housing. Okay get ready to pour tar and chicken feathers on me....*sighs In my mind they should only make two sized homes. One being a standard, which has a ground floor, and a basement. Then a deluxe version which has three floors instead of two. Or just make all player homes the same size, and the same price. I know a lot of my friends, who spend time trying their damnedest to earn gil, that haven't even seen a million. Sure you have quests, roulettes, crafting, etc but sometimes that just isn't enough to grind up 80 million gil. And the topic of availability came up too. 

 

There are several games out there that Yoshi's team could have used as a guide book for player housing. Some examples below;

 

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• Lord of the Rings Online; they have standard and deluxe homes. Sure the customization is a bit dull, but you have a house. It's rather cheap too! 7 gold for a deluxe, and I believe 3-4 for a standard? It's been a while since I have been on there. They have neighborhoods where the homes are located. What happens to inactive houses/players? Well you pay rent. You do not 'own' the house. It pay a small fee, or a large sum up front, for rent. When you cannot make your rent, you are given a grace period, and if that time runs out you're evicted from your house.
  
• Wildstar; I didn't play the game for long. I actually had a seven day trial from an old friend. Player housing is there too. You can put a lot of things on your land, and do so much to your house! Each home is instanced, and it works out fairly well. You can open the instance to other players, or just friends, or keep it private. You can invite people at your will. All subscribers get a free starter home.
  
• Star Wars: The Old Republic; this game just recently released their homes know as 'strongholds'. If you were a member when they came out, or joined before a certain deadline (which has passed I think) you got a free home. Homes there are instanced as well. You can have it open to everyone, or private and hand out keys to your friends and guild mates. What they do on there, however, is give you one HUGE place. But there is a catch. You have to use in game money, or out of game money, to expand your stronghold.
  

 

Rift is another game, but I never played it.

 

My point is they could have taken the time to work on this project, and make it so much better than it is. They rushed. There are other games out there that they could have obtained ideas from, but sadly they just copied the Free Company housing for it. The prices, in my opinion, are very extreme. How can one person possibly obtain that? A few mil, sure. 80 mil? Impossible unless they spend a crap ton of time on game, playing the market, selling Coil runs, etc.

 

Since they didn't spend enough time, or work, on the project they could have at least released prices several months ago instead of keeping it a closely guarded secret until patch night so people could actually know how much they needed, or if it would just be some long shot. 

 

To those who are upset by the housing situation, you have every right to be. Don't let anyone tell you otherwise. I understand how frustrating it is. To have spent so much time, energy, and put faith into something only to be lied to, and misguided. Last night when I saw the prices I threw my hands up, and said 'nope!' and I went to bed. I didn't bother patching until today. I didn't have the money, and honestly my desire to get a house was shot all to hell.

 

Hang in there guys and gals [/align]

[Zyrusticae]

I know one person who started in like... mid feb? March? He's got 28mil without -really- trying.

Lies.

 

To get that much money with a non-legacy account, you have to be making a focused effort to make money. Anyone who doesn't make a focused effort, like myself, is likely hovering in the low millions.

[CalebAgron]

By the way, to the person who decided to launch a huge curse laden rant to my skype because of my post, thank you for spoiling my day. I truly appreciate the class and friendship show to me there.

 

Makes me super appreciative I joined this community. :frustrated:

Wait, wait, wait a second let me get this straight. You post about how sick you are of hearing people complaining, which by the way you seem to like to read about, but now you want everyone to "feel bad" or "sorry" for you when you get backlash? Riiiiight.

[Berrod Armstrong]

I know one person who started in like... mid feb? March? He's got 28mil without -really- trying.

Lies.

 

To get that much money with a non-legacy account, you have to be making a focused effort to make money. Anyone who doesn't make a focused effort, like myself, is likely hovering in the low millions.

This is the tone that starts thread-locking flame fests. Let's be a little more civil, please.

[Tiergan]

I kinda wish they just took the inn rooms (FFXI moghouse style), let us decorate them, and gave us flower pots for gardening in them.

[Kylin]

Personal Housing is the game to some people, to a lot of people. Did you know that 60% of the server hasn't even cleared T5? Raiding isn't enjoyable or isn't an option to some people. This game is pretty much all raiding.

 

^This. Aside from RP, housing was literally the most important feature in the game for me that I was looking forward to since 1.0. I'm literally devastated right now. Not planning to quit over it or anything. But I'm presently extremely disappointed over this entire situation.

[Kage]

I know one person who started in like... mid feb? March? He's got 28mil without -really- trying.

Lies.

 

To get that much money with a non-legacy account, you have to be making a focused effort to make money. Anyone who doesn't make a focused effort, like myself, is likely hovering in the low millions.

If he was focused he'd have made the 70mil needed for the large houses.

 

Edit:

By the way, to the person who decided to launch a huge curse laden rant to my skype because of my post, thank you for spoiling my day. I truly appreciate the class and friendship show to me there.

 

Makes me super appreciative I joined this community. :frustrated:

Wait, wait, wait a second let me get this straight. You post about how sick you are of hearing people complaining, which by the way you seem to like to read about, but now you want everyone to "feel bad" or "sorry" for you when you get backlash? Riiiiight.

If you think a personal attack through off-site for a post he made is justified... I won't bother saying more.

[Faustina]

I just wanted to throw in my own vent over my disappointment..

 

I am in a very small FC, and we worked hard to save up money to get a house. We missed out the last patch they released wards because we were too late in the day to login, so this time we got up when the patch was released only to find out that there were people that were just way faster than us and by the time the patch was downloaded/installed and we logged in, all small lots were gone. As many others before me have stated, there is a serious balance issue between the plots they give small servers and large servers. They really should give the large ones more; it just makes more sense.

 

Honestly, I'm not all that interested in the housing aspect, all I want is access to Chocobo Raising. That's it. It's a big reason I even got interested in FFXIV and got my boyfriend and all my friends to join it. It's my entire character background. And I really don't want to leave my FC, as I've worked hard to build it up from the bottom, but unless we're lucky with Patch 2.4 or they decide to make chocobo raising more accessible, I guess I'm out of luck. And that sucks. I'm willing to buy stuff I need for chocobo raising from the market board (after all, I went ahead and purchased all the fruits I need to dye my bird the color I want) as long as I can actually you know, raise them somehow. 

 

So I totally sympathize with everyone who is venting here... we all got screwed in one way or another by poor planning and lack of communication. 

 

*group hug*  :chocobo:

[Zyrusticae]

Not sure what you find so objectionable about my tone, Berrod. Unless you quoted the wrong person...?

 

If he was focused he'd have made the 70mil needed for the large houses.

[Berrod Armstrong]

Yay for the edit! You can ignore the part in the sparkles.

 

~*~*It was Berrod. Highlander sameface is bad, but it's not -that- bad. I'm prettier than he is. ~*~*

 

Beginning a disagreement by accusing someone of lies is rude! Rudeness gets people pissy and then fights start and then threads get locked and that makes me sad. 

 

 

 

 

what warren what are you doing OH GODS MY FACE

[Kage]

Well, let's just say in less than a week the person finished the main story quest. He's got atma weapons for 2-4 other jobs other than his first. He's got 50 in all DOH, DOL, DOM, DOW. He can 3-star for several crafts. It's not -focused- more so that well, he's spending lots of time in the game.

 

He's also spent 2 months unsubbed since I gifted the game to him for his birthday in mid Feb...

[CalebAgron]

I know one person who started in like... mid feb? March? He's got 28mil without -really- trying.

Lies.

 

To get that much money with a non-legacy account, you have to be making a focused effort to make money. Anyone who doesn't make a focused effort, like myself, is likely hovering in the low millions.

If he was focused he'd have made the 70mil needed for the large houses.

 

Edit:

By the way, to the person who decided to launch a huge curse laden rant to my skype because of my post, thank you for spoiling my day. I truly appreciate the class and friendship show to me there.

 

Makes me super appreciative I joined this community. :frustrated:

Wait, wait, wait a second let me get this straight. You post about how sick you are of hearing people complaining, which by the way you seem to like to read about, but now you want everyone to "feel bad" or "sorry" for you when you get backlash? Riiiiight.

If you think a personal attack through off-site for a post he made is justified... I won't bother saying more.

Hard for me to feel sorry for someone who came in and made a post without regard to how others are feeling. Or whine about how he doesn't like how others are feeling and they should feel x way because people are bothering -him- (the center of the universe) with how they feel.

 

Would I have attacked him through off-site means, No. I think that's cowardly and if you have a problem with what someone posted on one site, you shouldn't stalk someone to flame them.

 

Am I going to feel "sorry" that he was attacked? Nope. You reap what you sow.

[Zyrusticae]

Well, let's just say in less than a week the person finished the main story quest. He's got atma weapons for 2-4 other jobs other than his first. He's got 50 in all DOH, DOL, DOM, DOW. He can 3-star for several crafts. It's not -focused- more so that well, he's spending lots of time in the game.

 

He's also spent 2 months unsubbed since I gifted the game to him for his birthday in mid Feb...

Well, that makes more sense. Anyone with that much playtime in the game is kind of an outlier tho.

 

Hell, I thought I spent a lot of time in the game, but I've only put a fraction of as many hours as the more dedicated players...

[Kage]

Well, that makes more sense. Anyone with that much playtime in the game is kind of an outlier tho.

 

Hell, I thought I spent a lot of time in the game, but I've only put a fraction of as many hours as the more dedicated players...

Indeed. I'm just saying it's -possible- just not that it's highly probable.

I spend on average 7 hours a day in-game. I've been playing since Black Friday. >.< He's completely overshadowed me orz;

[LiadansWhisper]

 

 

I spend on average 7 hours a day in-game. I've been playing since Black Friday.  >.< He's completely overshadowed me orz;

 

Think this has more to do with what crafting classes you chose to level up first, and what things you ended up jumping in on.  A lot of people who anticipated the rush with Personal Rooms, for instance, made bank.  Those who did not...well...

[Xenedra]

Second warning.

 

If you feel the need to discuss how rude or not rude someone is, please take it to private messages. This thread is about housing.

[Kage]

To sum up personal housing as it is in 2.38.

 

It's an fc house without the additional 200 personal rooms.

 

Is that right?

[Dogberry]

On a lark, I started looking at other games. There's a cyberpunk MMO in the works called Exile Online. I check out the game features. One of them is player apartments.

 

>mfw

[Warren Castille]

Warning: Sounds like boasting.

 

 

With zero crafts, zero work towards farming money and just doing roulettes (and not even those for 6 weeks) I'm up approximately 8 million gil just from Ventures and dailies and tank gil. Imagine if I'd been spiritbonding and taking advantage of the materia prices for Novus.

 

Oh, and I've helped fund 2 and a half novus weapons, and a friend's overmelded crafting gear. And I commission a lot of art with gil. And I still could have bought a house today. And I work a full-time job with the DC Metro commute (3rd worst in the country, last I checked).

 

 

It's silly to say someone can't make money in this game if they're not trying to. Just working on my Novus has paid for my Novus since the Animus stage.

[Kage]

Personally.... Personal rooms at 300K with a garden plot sounds like it'd fix more issues for those who wanted personal housing.

 

The issue for FCs unable to get houses is a different matter entirely. (Availability)

[LiadansWhisper]

Personally.... Personal rooms at 300K with a garden plot sounds like it'd fix more issues for those who wanted personal housing.

 

The issue for FCs unable to get houses is a different matter entirely. (Availability)

 

The two are kind of separate.  Because individuals and FCs are now pitted against each other for space, it's just going t make things harder for those FCs trying to come up with the money.  I agree that the gardening would solve a lot (since Chocobo raising should be available to everyone in the FC, etc), though.

[Dogberry]

Yeah man, grow that hydroponic moko grass in our FC rooms.

[Kage]

... Kage might need that moko grass.

 

Anyways, here's the official translation of what he said.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/192814-Hey-Yoshi-you-said-personal-housing-will-be-far-more-affordable.?p=2442149&viewfull=1#post2442149

 

Hello, everyone. Producer and Director Yoshida here.

 

Thank you for all the large amount of feedback regarding the prices of land for personal housing which was implemented in Patch 2.38.

 

As the current personal housing prices are higher than what players expected, I would like to discuss the statement I made previously regarding the plan to make the personal housing prices cheaper than Free Company housing.

 

■Regarding what I said■

The statement I said was from a post made last December.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...=1#post1685344

At that time, we were correcting the economic disparity between legacy players and new players with regards to Free Company land prices in Patch 2.1. As we were hoping to implement World Transfers as quickly as possible, we set Free Company plot prices on the high side. Due to this, we received a lot of feedback mentioning that even though there were plans for personal housing, there would be no way that players would be able to pay that high of a cost. In my reply, I wrote: “I can say that prices will be completely separate from Free Company housing, and, naturally, far more affordable.”

 

What this meant was the following:

•The prices will be completely separate from Free Company land prices (At the time of Patch 2.1)

•We’ll be making the prices much cheaper than what they are currently (At the time of Patch 2.1)

 

However, reading this again, I realize that this statement is extremely unclear. Also, because I wrote this quickly to try to quell the uneasiness at the time, I ended up causing even more problems for everyone. I sincerely apologize for this.

■How we decided on the prices for personal housing■

After Patch 2.1 we’d been monitoring the land purchase conditions on all Worlds and largely reducing the prices in stages. Additionally, the original time frame for reaching the lowest land price was three months, which we shortened to one month. Due to this, the prices of land drop several tens of thousands of gil every six hours. After one month the price would be half of what it was originally.

 

Additionally, in order to stimulate the in-game economy after Patch 2.1, we increased the methods in which you can obtain gil and the average amount of gil all players possess increased severalfold. We are constantly checking the amount of gil everyone possesses, and based on this we made the decision that the starting prices of personal housing should be the land prices at the time that Patch 2.3 was implemented.

 

Focus will always be on the prices at release, but after one month these prices will be halved. The average amount of gil in possession is much greater than you all imagine, and we are concerned that if we were to lower the cost of land for personal housing any further it would exacerbate problems like RMT and the purchase of land by secondary characters.

 

As we have also received requests to make it so you can garden and raise chocobos from personal houses, we strived to develop personal housing with the same core features as Free Company houses to address this feedback.

 

When setting the prices, it’s not as though we didn’t even consider whether we should separate the prices for Free Company land and personal housing land; however, looking at the current economic conditions and also considering future expansion we decided to make the prices the same. I apologize and hope for your understanding.

■The reason why Free Company houses and personal houses are in the same areas■

The biggest reason is to ensure the effective utilization of land. FFXIV is entering a stable period and the amount of newly created Free Companies is gently declining, therefore the demand for new Free Company houses will also decline. Additionally, with expansions to the land sale feature, after the demand for land has been fulfilled there will gradually be land openings in the wards.

 

On the other hand, when it comes to personal housing, with the constant increase in the amount of gil everyone possesses, as time passes the demand for personal housing will increase and a large amount of open land will be necessary.

 

If we were to separate Free Company housing and personal housing into different areas, in the event that Free Company land opens up I believe we would then receive requests asking to make it possible to build personal houses on those plots. So in order to balance the two we made it possible to purchase land in the same housing areas and feel this will allow for land to be utilized efficiently.

■In conclusion■

In regards to the housing system, there are a lot of elements that are intertwined with each other. For example, the hefty amount of gil required to purchase, or whether you play within a Free Company or by yourself, and also due to the fact that the implementation cost and the allocation of demands becomes more complex, there are times when the decisions made by the development team are not always in perfect alignment with the thoughts of the players.

 

However, similar to what we did after Patch 2.1, we will be doing our best to answer everyone’s feedback and demands, but we would like to ask for some time. Thank you very much.

[FreelanceWizard]

Thread closed.

 

Please see http://ffxiv-roleplayers.com/showthread.php?tid=8314 for more information.

[FreelanceWizard]

Thread reopened, as the moratorium is now over.