Blacklist - Player's Last Method Weapon

[Aldotsk]

A question between player's opinions, how many straws would you pull to actually use Blacklist function on someone? First offense? Second offense?

 

If an IC RP goes bad, would you be blacklisting right away ? Or discuss it in OOC first and settle it out - and then blacklist if the opposite party is literally being obnoxious and starts picking a fight?

 

Would you blacklist someone without any explanation or warning through OOCly?

 

Would you blacklist someone in-game because you don't like someone through forums?

 

Try not to respond if this is a sensitive topic to you. I'd like to hear people's opinions.

[Nebbs]

Nusance, like spamming emotes or sitting on me or being so unsociable I don't want to hear them. And I don't tell I just BL and move on.

[Melodia]

I have not had to blacklist for IC rp reasons. I'm not sure I would.

 

But! I have blacklisted three players in my time.

 

One was a stranger who wanted to ERP. I said no, so she started harassing me and my friends, accusing me of all sorts of things. She even made an alt to kind of stalk me around (fun...?) and harass me still. I had to report to the GM and discuss it with them. She was blacklisted.

 

Two and three were friends of mine who I found out were bullying another very good friend of mine to the point where she was thinking of quitting the game. I confronted both and they began to swear and yell at me like I was the bad person, lots of threats and cruel comments (from people I'd thought of as friends the day before) and decided blacklisting was the proper way.

 

If someone is a jerk OOCly I will blacklist. I don't pay money to waste my time dealing with mean people. Jerk=blacklist. Period.

[Warren Castille]

A question between player's opinions, how many straws would you pull to actually use Blacklist function on someone? First offense? Second offense?

 

If an IC RP goes bad, would you be blacklisting right away ? Or discuss it in OOC first and settle it out - and then blacklist if the opposite party is literally being obnoxious and starts picking a fight?

 

Would you blacklist someone without any explanation or warning through OOCly?

 

Would you blacklist someone in-game because you don't like someone through forums?

 

Try not to respond if this is a sensitive topic to you. I'd like to hear people's opinions.

 

If I no longer want to hear what you're saying (be it OOCly, ICly, or whatevercly) I blacklist you. I generally don't make a point of announcing it. That said, I do point out when I'm turning off a linkshell because the conversation is unbearable.

[Berrod Armstrong]

Harassment in or out of game, usually. Otherwise I just disregard what's being said. There are cases when someone is being an unnecessarily awful person when I would do it as well. 

 

Otherwise, it could be on a whim, though that has hardly ever happened.

[FreelanceWizard]

My blacklist is made up of gil sellers, basically. There's one exception: way back around launch, there was a guy who was running around spamming every channel with advertisements for his anti-RP linkshell. I eventually got sick of it and blacklisted him.

 

I've yet to run into any significant griefing, though that's a situation where I've employed the blacklist in other games. Harassment would be another example. I personally wouldn't use the blacklist just because some IC interaction went awry; it's pretty much a last resort for me, because I basically never remove someone from the list once they're there. Given my thoughts on its use, there's no reason for me to tell someone that they're going on the list.

 

But again, my blacklist is one obnoxious guy and a bunch of gil sellers.

[Coatleque]

If I no longer want to hear what you're saying (be it OOCly, ICly, or whatevercly) I blacklist you.

 

So that's why my whispers are going unanswered!

 

j/k

 

I've not had to blacklist anyone yet. If they were harassing me, I would. If they're just being a jerk, I tend to tune them out with selective reading.

[Unnamed Mercenary]

I generally reserve my blacklist for bots, spammers, and malicious people. Regardless of what someone says, my curiosity would likely get the better of me if I blacklisted someone and saw half a conversation.

 

I'd much rather work out whatever issues I may have with a person IC, and then OOC if needed. If I get sick of reading, then I'll just skip over it. I have too many linkshell filters set up to want to both trying to manage a blacklist, and have seen cases where a person is fine in one linkshell, but not another.

 

 

In the rare occasion my chatbox is being flooded by comments I don't particularly care for, I may add the offending party to what I'll call a "temp blacklist", where I BL people until I relocate, and then take them off the blacklist. This has only happened during /extremely/ busy times when there are simply too many players on to give proper attention to, or if I need to log something and don't feel like cleaning up 40 pages of not-my-logs.

[Jancis]

Typically for spamming without question.

 

Harassment the same.

 

Another good reason to is when someone is overly emotional and will not listen, ranting on in the height of their emotion instead of stepping away and calming down.

 

Really regardless of the reasons people feel the need to give themselves space from another person it is a personal reason and shouldn't be overly examined. It's a bit of a futile trek to go on trying to understand someone else's reasons or, more importantly, let it become a bother or enrage.

 

It's not a hit on my character as a person if someone blacklists me, we simply couldn't communicate and need distance from each other. Or we clash. It happens.

 

More importantly, I do not try to circumvent a blacklist. I don't get other people involved in public channels and try to talk to or about them via that.

 

Also, people shouldn't feel having a blacklist is some kind of mark against themselves. It's the Rule of Investment - how much time you spend on people that really don't deserve your time, how much time they take from you which doesn't get spent on people who do deserve your time and attention. Don't neglect good people with others you simply don't get along with for whatever reason it might be. Overall, it won't be a big deal as long as you don't make it one for yourself.

 

:love:

[Unnamed Mercenary]

Typically for spamming without question.

 

Harassment the same.

 

Another good reason to is when someone is overly emotional and will not listen, ranting on in the height of their emotion instead of stepping away and calming down.

 

Really regardless of the reasons people feel the need to give themselves space from another person it is a personal reason and shouldn't be overly examined. It's a bit of a futile trek to go on trying to understand someone else's reasons or, more importantly, let it become a bother or enrage.

 

It's not a hit on my character as a person if someone blacklists me, we simply couldn't communicate and need distance from each other. Or we clash. It happens.

 

More importantly, I do not try to circumvent a blacklist. I don't get other people involved in public channels and try to talk to or about them via that.

 

Also, people shouldn't feel having a blacklist is some kind of mark against themselves. It's the Rule of Investment - how much time you spend on people that really don't deserve your time, how much time they take from you which doesn't get spent on people who do deserve your time and attention. Don't neglect good people with others you simply don't get along with for whatever reason it might be. Overall, it won't be a big deal as long as you don't make it one for yourself.

 

:love:

^The time investment is spot-on. Let's also remember we pay for this game. It it waste of time AND money to spend getting mad at someone.

[C'kayah Polaali]

Mine is made up mainly of gil sellers. The rest of it is people who spam chatty emotes ("Spanky McBottom grins tauntingly at Flatulent Roegadyn") over and over and over. And, IIRC, that same anti-RP guy that FLW has on his blacklist.

[Mr. Wolfdog]

I blacklist Gil sellers sometimes, but I rarely hear back from the same one anyway so why bother? Aside from that I generally just don't care to regardless of how people are acting. Generally speaking it's just that if a behavior irritates me I only care so long as it continues, I would hate to miss out on interacting with a cool person if I prematurely blacklisted them for just having an off day.

[Warren Castille]

If I no longer want to hear what you're saying (be it OOCly, ICly, or whatevercly) I blacklist you.

 

So that's why my whispers are going unanswered!

 

j/k

 

I've not had to blacklist anyone yet. If they were harassing me, I would. If they're just being a jerk, I tend to tune them out with selective reading.

 

Reasons whispers go unanswered, trufax version:

 

1) I walk away from my computer constantly in the evening and never read the log

 

2) Until recently, I spent my time at keys jumping in and out of primals for sweet, sweet Nexus lights (so worth it).

 

I should trim my blacklist down again. It was largely gil seller spam, and I think anyone left on it now is likely gone. The taco-seller "roleplayer" comes to mind.

[Blue]

Emote spam, OOC harassment, RP griefing and shout FC advertisement are my usual blacklist choices... However I also give temporary blacklist to RPers who emote things that make me uneasy (such as getting physical, kissing, and unnecessary descriptive paragraphs of their body parts and movements). I'll blacklist for as long as we're in the same /say range, after that I usually remove them from blacklisting.

 

I am guilty of oversensitivity and a prude, but I also feel I don't really need to read of your "luxuriously sanguine lips" and of how they run all over your fiancé's face. :frustrated:

 

:thumbsup:Please take account of the sensitivity of those around your /say range and move that stuff to /party or /tells chat please. I'm not happy to blacklist RPers.

[xelliexell]

Like most people, I think my blacklist primarily consists of gilsellers. I can't say that I've ever blacklisted a fellow RPer, so maybe I've been lucky in my interactions so far?

 

I'm also pretty quick to blacklist anyone who's spamming emotes though, even if it's happening in a place like Revenant's Toll. (If I'm trying to get my business done there and talking to my FC or LS, it's just too distracting. On the other hand, If I'm not grounded to the location of the emote spam, I'll just walk away. It's more of an "I can't keep track of my conversations so I need to do this" thing than an "I hate j00 because you're spamming" thing.)

 

If someone starts loudly talking (shouting?) about how annoying RPers are in response to me RPing, I blacklist them.

 

In whatever case, I never say anything to the person I'm blacklisting. I just do it and move on with my day.

 

Blacklisting someone because of something they said on the forums seems like it would take way too much work for me. I'll at least give them a chance to offend me in game before I go to that measure.

[Val]

I've only ever used it once on a player. This individual made multiple accounts, posing as diffrrent people, to try and both ICly and OOCly tear my character from his lover and break our RP partnership so that they'd have a chance with my character.

 

I felt it was appropriate at the time. Rather than announce it or make a thread about it, I just threw this person on there and moved on. Things have been fine ever since. A post was made elsewhere to inform other FCs of this person's behavior, but it was kept off the RPC for obvious reasons

[Marisa]

I've literally never blacklisted anyone in any game. 

 

Fact is, blacklisting a gil spammer is pointless because those characters get deleted within a few hours. As for players, my responses range between not caring enough to blacklist someone, and not blacklisting them because I can't let them win. And believe me, as someone who's been on the other side of it a time or two, I can assure you that when you blacklist someone who you feel is harassing you, they will always view it as an admission of defeat. 

 

I suppose I'm just far too prideful to use it.

[TheLastCandle]

There is exactly one (1) roleplayer I've ever had to blacklist. The rest of 'em are all gil-sellers or.. very sad and angry people who don't RP. The few (very few) times I've butted heads with a fellow member of the RPC community, we were thankfully able to resolve things without any unnecessary drama.

[Aldotsk]

I'll admit. I used to blacklist a lot of gil sellers, but they always change into new names or have their character (Deleted) in my list. So I stopped bothering and I stopped using /reply since I accidentally mistell towards gil sellers when they ninja PM me.

 

I've only Blacklisted like 4-5 people. But it's because they really pushed my buttons when I asked them to stop and leave me alone and they kept talking trash to me. They ended up trying to find out my skype info which was annoying too. But yeah. You really have to push my buttons to blacklist you at the end. I tend to unblacklist after few weeks because I get over it or forgive someone for their behaviors.

[QueenFrejyalen]

I've literally never blacklisted anyone in any game. 

 

Fact is, blacklisting a gil spammer is pointless because those characters get deleted within a few hours. As for players, my responses range between not caring enough to blacklist someone, and not blacklisting them because I can't let them win. And believe me, as someone who's been on the other side of it a time or two, I can assure you that when you blacklist someone who you feel is harassing you, they will always view it as an admission of defeat. 

 

I suppose I'm just far too prideful to use it.

 

I blacklist gil spammers so that I can have the relief of not hearing them right then, haha.  Don't care if they get deleted, I'll then clean them off my blacklist.  And I haven't seen a lot of gil spammers on Balmung, but on my other server (Lamia), the spam is so bad I have to clear out my blacklist of characters that aren't even deleted yet just to put more in.  They are definitely not deleted within hours on the lower-population servers.  I played there for 9 months without half of my 200+ blacklisted gil spammers being deleted.

 

I don't think blacklisting is "letting someone win" because the fact that you are moving on with your life and not letting them be relevant to you is what's important.  It's not about winning, it's about what's best for you to continue playing by your own terms.

 

I could give two shits if they think they've "won" something by me blacklisting them.  If they believe that, then there are a lot more personal issues going on in their life than their short-lived harassment of me.  If anyone sees harassing someone to the point of being blacklisted or blocked on some website/game as "winning", they are at a level of pathetic that I can't comprehend.

[Mae]

Minus the gilsellers/spammers, I typically don't blacklist until I've reached the point where my patience has run out. There's plenty of people running around that a normal person would blacklist, but I'm kinda voyeuristic to people's bad behaviours and I also like to know when someone's talking about me. 

 

Sometimes, I -will- temp-blacklist someone who is RPing nearby and being a distraction to my RP; not because they're being offensive, but just because what they're doing IS distracting to what I'm trying to concentrate on. These people, I also write their names down on a piece of paper by my keyboard so I remember to remove them once I'm free to have distractions, or to quick-reference the name if they approach before I'm at a point where I can remove them. It's not a punishment, it's just for my sanity.

 

As for reasons/examples for why I'll actually blacklist:

 

97% of my blacklist are gilsellers/spammers. I've experienced getting gilseller /tell spam from the same character multiple times over the course of a couple hours, and every once in a while I'll run into a zone where one is spamming in /shout and /yell. So, might as well just blacklist a name right away. Every few months, I go through and remove the first thirty or so of those names and all the (Deleted) entries -- by this time, these 'characters' are on accounts that have been caught and banned, so they're just taking up space.

 

The next actual 2.5% are the following:

 

"Tiny" -- This guy used to hound me to join his FC, and he didn't take 'no thanks' or 'not interested' as a good enough answer. Didn't matter how many times I told him to stop trying to invite me, I could expect upwards to five invites a day from him.  So now, the first thing I do once I've gotten control of a new character is to blacklist him before he can start bugging me. Which might seem moot now since I have a FC that I can join with all my characters... but there was a few times where "Tiny" got to me while I was waiting for someone with invite privileges to come back from AFK.

 

"On the /punt list" -- I was asked to join a LS that I had been told was for OOC RP event planning among FC leaders and their co-leaders/seconds-in-command. Joined... and slowly started getting hints that the LS was going to be an IC one with some REALLY bizarre ideas and themes that myself and my co-leader had no interests in. Eventually we left, and both of us got some harassment from the LS leader and a few other members for doing so.

 

"Guttermouth" -- The only person who has the honor of being on my blacklist because of their RP. I get it that swearing has a place in RP, I swear IRL and IC, but when every third word out of your mouth is 'c--t' and my polite /tell request to please tone it down a bit is met with a LOT of venom... yeah. Took me a while to feel okay with blacklisting, as this was another RPer and I hate missing half a conversation when I lurk, but in the end this person's RP was just so repulsive to me that I finally hit that button.

 

Which leaves that last .5%...

 

"Ugh" -- "Ugh" has the dubious honors of being someone that I blacklist often, but need to take off the blacklist during RP because he RP's often with my group. Sometimes, I forget to put "Ugh" back on blacklist until after I've reached the point where I wish I could just jump through the computer and strangle him. My hatred of this person is long-standing and game-spanning, but I like the rest of my RP group and I'm not about to let "Ugh" run me off.

[Aya]

I have never, and hope I never have to block anyone for actual RP stuff... (but I understand why it happens! just hope it doesn't happen to me) I have a hair trigger for blacklisting people for any sort of intentional harassment.  Being obnoxious (not ICly, that's like okay!), spamming, standing on people, etc.  If I see any of that you're blacklisted, and that's that.

[ProvaDiServo]

I have never, and hope I never have to block anyone for actual RP stuff... (but I understand why it happens! just hope it doesn't happen to me) I have a hair trigger for blacklisting people for any sort of intentional harassment.  Being obnoxious (not ICly, that's like okay!), spamming, standing on people, etc.  If I see any of that you're blacklisted, and that's that.

 

 

I'll make sure that my ps3 loads everyone before I pick a place in the quicksand.

[Unnamed Mercenary]

I have never, and hope I never have to block anyone for actual RP stuff... (but I understand why it happens! just hope it doesn't happen to me) I have a hair trigger for blacklisting people for any sort of intentional harassment.  Being obnoxious (not ICly, that's like okay!), spamming, standing on people, etc.  If I see any of that you're blacklisted, and that's that.

 

 

I'll make sure that my ps3 loads everyone before I pick a place in the quicksand.

 

I think Aya's referencing a very specific group of griefers. An accidental stand-on is different than moving yourself to stand on someone, then following them after they move to stand on them again, etc. They need not be named here though, as that would probably give them the satisfaction they seek.

[Aya]

 

I'll make sure that my ps3 loads everyone before I pick a place in the quicksand.

You misunderstand me!  This is a type of harassment where people follow others around always standing upon them, or right up against them, trying to disrupt RP.  It has nothing to do with zoning in on someone

 

To Franzie: I know who you're talking about, but sadly this is not strictly limited to them.