Any mention of pregnancy or birthgiving in-game? Are we even sure we are mammals?

[Blue]

 

As for lack of something depicting females as nipple-less.. the hempen camise and other bra-type of clothing leave very little to imagination, especially on some models like Miqo'te and Highlander.

 

Just gonna throw it out there that as a woman IRL, I can't see my nipples through my bra. o_o Hell, my breasts are pretty perky naturally, so the main reason I wear a bra is to make sure nothing's poking through my shirt.

Well, I also am a female IRL, and I can tell you that I do notice them. I guess it's because I mostly use sport bras which aren't as thick and respect shapes better.

 

But I digress, my question was answered and the topic was profusely explored and discussed, so I think it can end here. I am sorry if I have hurt someone's sensibility, some answers seemed to be a little passive-aggressive, or written by people who perhaps took the matter a little more seriously than the funny question it really meant to be.

 

I did not mean to doubt people who RPd mammal pregnancy nor to say that anything that doesn't have a firm statement in the lore can be twisted in nonsense theories, and I apology if I gave that impression. I really just thought it was funny to point out the overall lack of NPCs pointing out births and related details.

 

I'll go back to lurk in my shady corner waiting for the next interesting thread to pop. Thanks for reading and participating!

[Faye]

I uh... thanks for letting us know that.

 

Nothing that couldn't be assumed. My gender's not really a secret, and most girls have boobs, and most girls wear things on their boobs. Pretty standard there.

[Kage]

I think it was in reference to the -why-.

 

 

Not going to lie, I do it for the same reasons plus my mother has told me that if i don't wear them I'll get saggy breasts when I get old @_@; Er.

[Faye]

-shrug- I don't... see why it's an issue to mention that bras are made for... you know, one of the things they're made for.

[TheShii]

fortunately for this argument, men also have nipples

 

there are also plenty of materials that nipples don't show through.

but I digress, isn't this thread 'suppose' to be about the theory of the main races being mammals? not so much nipples and the game models? which we've already solidly established as fact?

 

screw this, let's get to layin' those pods

[Ilwe'ran]

 

As for lack of something depicting females as nipple-less.. the hempen camise and other bra-type of clothing leave very little to imagination, especially on some models like Miqo'te and Highlander.

 

Just gonna throw it out there that as a woman IRL, I can't see my nipples through my bra. o_o Hell, my breasts are pretty perky naturally, so the main reason I wear a bra is to make sure nothing's poking through my shirt.

Well, I also am a female IRL, and I can tell you that I do notice them. I guess it's because I mostly use sport bras which aren't as thick and respect shapes better.

 

(Woman IRL as well and you see nothing when I'm wearing my bra, I'm a nipple less girl D: ?)

 

But I digress, my question was answered and the topic was profusely explored and discussed, so I think it can end here. I am sorry if I have hurt someone's sensibility, some answers seemed to be a little passive-aggressive, or written by people who perhaps took the matter a little more seriously than the funny question it really meant to be.

 

Don't think you did hurt anybody's sensitivity. The question of the nipple, on my side, was already asked while playing Tera : In korean version you can see (like.. Clearly) through the Castanic clothes and the Elin clothes are revelating

 

 

 

 

The reason was simply to lower the PEGI age rating and not locking that game on 18+, hence my answer earlier ♥ !

[Dogberry]

-shrug- I don't... see why it's an issue to mention that bras are made for... you know, one of the things they're made for.

 

Then why state the obvious? I mean, it just kinda seems like you really wanted to talk about your own parts. Is this a thing we're doing now? Does the mere fact that genitals exist mean that I can start sharing facts about the specifics of the ones I happen to own? I thought we were talking about nipples in a fantasy game, but if all bets are off, let's get all truth or dare up in this bitch.

[Faye]

-shrug- I don't... see why it's an issue to mention that bras are made for... you know, one of the things they're made for.

 

Then why state the obvious? I mean, it just kinda seems like you really wanted to talk about your own parts. Is this a thing we're doing now? Does the mere fact that genitals exist mean that I can start sharing facts about the specifics of the ones I happen to own? I thought we were talking about nipples in a fantasy game, but if all bets are off, let's get all truth or dare up in this bitch.

 

The OP's comment just made it kinda sound like she was surmising that if nipples aren't visible through clothing, they must not exist. My comment was made seeing as that being a woman, I have some expertise and can personally attest that it's not the case. I also don't believe that I shared any specific details about my breasts, only alluded to the fact that hiding nipples is part of the point of bras to begin with.

 

Yeah, I have boobs, shock and gasp, let's pretend I'm sharing some deep dark "TMI" secret like every single stranger who passes me on the street couldn't take one look and surmise that for themselves.

[Dogberry]

-shrug- I don't... see why it's an issue to mention that bras are made for... you know, one of the things they're made for.

 

Then why state the obvious? I mean, it just kinda seems like you really wanted to talk about your own parts. Is this a thing we're doing now? Does the mere fact that genitals exist mean that I can start sharing facts about the specifics of the ones I happen to own? I thought we were talking about nipples in a fantasy game, but if all bets are off, let's get all truth or dare up in this bitch.

 

The OP's comment just made it kinda sound like she was surmising that if nipples aren't visible through clothing, they must not exist. My comment was made seeing as that being a woman, I have some expertise and can personally attest that it's not the case. I also don't believe that I shared any specific details about my breasts, only alluded to the fact that hiding nipples is part of the point of bras to begin with.

 

Yeah, I have boobs, shock and gasp, let's pretend I'm sharing some deep dark "TMI" secret like every single stranger who passes me on the street couldn't take one look and surmise that for themselves.

 

You're acting like I'm shocked that you're stating you're a woman, but really I'm just kind of wondering why you decided to make the conversation about you.

[Faye]

-shrug- I don't... see why it's an issue to mention that bras are made for... you know, one of the things they're made for.

 

Then why state the obvious? I mean, it just kinda seems like you really wanted to talk about your own parts. Is this a thing we're doing now? Does the mere fact that genitals exist mean that I can start sharing facts about the specifics of the ones I happen to own? I thought we were talking about nipples in a fantasy game, but if all bets are off, let's get all truth or dare up in this bitch.

 

The OP's comment just made it kinda sound like she was surmising that if nipples aren't visible through clothing, they must not exist. My comment was made seeing as that being a woman, I have some expertise and can personally attest that it's not the case. I also don't believe that I shared any specific details about my breasts, only alluded to the fact that hiding nipples is part of the point of bras to begin with.

 

Yeah, I have boobs, shock and gasp, let's pretend I'm sharing some deep dark "TMI" secret like every single stranger who passes me on the street couldn't take one look and surmise that for themselves.

 

You're acting like I'm shocked that you're stating you're a woman, but really I'm just kind of wondering why you decided to make the conversation about you.

 

I didn't make it about me..? You're the one here focusing on me.

[Dogberry]

A lot of people joined in the conversation without the need to bring up their own parts. That's all I'm saying.

 

But if making an off-hand comment and standing by it when you pearl clutch over the audacity to call out something you said is focusing on you, then sure, I'm focusing on you.

[Faye]

A lot of people joined in the conversation without the need to bring up their own parts. That's all I'm saying.

 

But if making an off-hand comment and standing by it when you pearl clutch over the audacity to call out something you said is focusing on you, then sure, I'm focusing on you.

 

Yeah, how dare women have breasts, raunchy. How dare anyone mention breasts in a thread where the initial post addresses pregnancy, birth, nipples, and genitals. So off-topic, so attention-seeking. :roll: You can keep on, but I've had my share of misogyny for the night and don't feel like helping you derail this thread any further.

[Amelia]

A lot of people joined in the conversation without the need to bring up their own parts. That's all I'm saying.

 

But if making an off-hand comment and standing by it when you pearl clutch over the audacity to call out something you said is focusing on you, then sure, I'm focusing on you.

 

Dude... This is someone else's thread. I think at this point if you want to continue insulting and passive aggressively bullying someone, you should at least have the decency to take it into a private chat.

 

There is no reason you should have a condescending discussion in someone else's thread that they made just for fun and continue onward trying to humiliate that person.

 

Faye's comment was on topic. You jumping down her throat knocked it completely off into some sort of passive aggressive flame war.

 

I think you need to tone it down and/or take it to private chat.

[Dat Oni]

Speaking of tits, will everyone please calm theirs before Freelance has to put on the hat?

[Drifter]

My only comment which may or may not have been said is that, All races in game have belly buttons. Therefore they are live births with an umbilical cord. As such they much be mammals.

[Jana]

Silly boys!

[Dogberry]

A lot of people joined in the conversation without the need to bring up their own parts. That's all I'm saying.

 

But if making an off-hand comment and standing by it when you pearl clutch over the audacity to call out something you said is focusing on you, then sure, I'm focusing on you.

 

Yeah, how dare women have breasts, raunchy. How dare anyone mention breasts in a thread where the initial post addresses pregnancy, birth, nipples, and genitals. So off-topic, so attention-seeking. :roll: You can keep on, but I've had my share of misogyny for the night and don't feel like helping you derail this thread any further.

 

LOL OK, yeah, misogyny, sure. This was a topic about breast in general. Next time there's a topic about testicles I'll give you all a good description of mine, then.

[Aldotsk]

I am not sure how pregnancy went to nipple disturbance but this is surely getting to the point of derail.

 

Please stop the argument, I know boobies are serious business.

 

If anyone feels disturbed about their boobies ICly not being beautiful, hire a Blue Mage. Blue Mages can learn the ability to make boobies big or small, with the size of H cup even if you are a Lalafell.

[Erik Mynhier]

I am not sure how pregnancy went to nipple disturbance but this is surely getting to the point of derail.

 

Please stop the argument, I know boobies are serious business.

 

If anyone feels disturbed about their boobies ICly not being beautiful, hire a Blue Mage. Blue Mages can learn the ability to make boobies big or small, with the size of H cup even if you are a Lalafell.

 

Yangh... I think Aldotsk just came up with a business for you. You'll make a mint... you may wanna cut him in on the business to be fair.

[Mae]

Just wandering through, and wondering what graphics setting people are using to actually see traces of nipple on their characters, cause I don't. Granted, I play mine on a lower setting to help with lag (I'm on a mobile connection).

 

Also, Garuda has breasts. Does that make Garuda a mammal? 

 

Generally speaking as a species, humans are wired with a breasts = female response. We don't have natural plumage/colour/pattern variants that separate the sexes, and our sense of smell is lacking for us to (regularly) home on on pheromones. We therefore rely (subconsciously) on what we see for a physical build as first indicator to another human's sex. Go do an internet search for anthropomorphic art, you're bound to find dragons, cars, snakes, lizards, and turtles that have breasts of some degree to emphasize that they're female.

 

We're given (mostly) human-like avatars with the dev's expectations that vast majority of us are going to customize into something we personally find attractive. This includes fairly normal breasts (the dev's could've gone and given Miqo'te a double-row of them going down their torsos like a feline, because why not? They've already given feline ears and tails to a humanoid) because of wired responses. Are we mammals in-game? More than likely, but it's something that we are taking for granted because SE has given us no reason to think otherwise. 

 

 

As for the bellybutton issue...

Watch from 8:37 to 8:47.

[FreelanceWizard]

Yes, please stay on topic (or, at least, on what the topic has turned into ). I don't want to put on the hat. :cry:

 

In terms of graphics settings, I play on a slightly modified version of Maximum (reflections and shadows turned down with occlusion culling on) and the only nipple-ish things I see on L'yhta look like artifacts of the character model. Depending on the angle, when she's wearing the Hempen Camise, there's a few vertices that, um, "pop out" and could be interpreted as nipples, but after looking closely, I really think it's just due to a low poly count. In the Cascadier top, I don't see anything that could be charitably described as nipply.

 

Garuda is an interesting topic. To Mae's point about anthropomorphic art, and given what we know about Primals (they're given form by the prayers, wishes, and Aether of their worshippers), I'd argue that when a Primal like Garuda does have breasts, it's because they're there to establish sex and, perhaps, because the Primal desires to appear as what it considers attractive. In short, the Primal's form is a sort of art and not indicative of an underlying biology. I mean, after all, Primals are just congealed constructs of Aether.

[Aldotsk]

Funny you say that Freelancer because long time ago in FFXIV forum, there was like a discussion that primals aren't really gender based but they are viewed as unisex type created from Aether; and that the primals are viewed by mortals as an "illusion" of how we'd view and imagine them. Like Garuda for example. To our view and beast men's view , it'd be viewed as a female with breasts but in truth, it's just an asexual Aether being.

[Faye]

Garuda is an interesting topic. To Mae's point about anthropomorphic art, and given what we know about Primals (they're given form by the prayers, wishes, and Aether of their worshippers), I'd argue that when a Primal like Garuda does have breasts, it's because they're there to establish sex and, perhaps, because the Primal desires to appear as what it considers attractive. In short, the Primal's form is a sort of art and not indicative of an underlying biology. I mean, after all, Primals are just congealed constructs of Aether.

 

That's how I assumed it. Garuda has breasts not for reproductive purposes, but because it's just the form she was given or has taken (since Primals have no actual bodies) and likely to show her as feminine, and also perhaps as fertile, alluring, etc.

[Mae]

I brought up Garuda because of an earlier statement of "If that were the case, female characters wouldn't have breasts at all.  Breasts exist solely for the purpose of producing milk for babies" that was echo'd a few times. We're a species that's hard-wired to equal breasts with femininity, regardless if something is a mammal or not.  I know Garuda's an asexual being, I was trying to point out the flawed logic of "breasts = mammal" in a fantasy setting, not trying to insinuate that Garuda -was- a mammal.

 

 

If Devs weren't appealing to our human-mammalian sensibilities first, Garuda's appearance would have been designed to be appealing to her Beastmen and that likely would've resulted in something MUCH more Ixal-like.

[Ilwe'ran]

I brought up Garuda because of an earlier statement of "If that were the case, female characters wouldn't have breasts at all.  Breasts exist solely for the purpose of producing milk for babies" that was echo'd a few times. We're a species that's hard-wired to equal breasts with femininity, regardless if something is a mammal or not.  I know Garuda's an asexual being, I was trying to point out the flawed logic of "breasts = mammal" in a fantasy setting, not trying to insinuate that Garuda -was- a mammal.

 

And what about whales ? They are mammals and don't have breasts.. Unless..

 

 

 

 

WTF happened to the brain of those people ._. ???