Why is there constantly stigma with Dragoon?

[TheShii]

 

*cough*

 

I'm aware of them, I have already spoken to those in the group when I first transferred into balmung and with a brief response, but nothing in game (even when reaching out), so my statement still stands lol

I may have very well just caught them at a busy time or times didn't match up or maybe even some of my messages just never reached them, but outside of seeing their stuff in the forums... going in the game itself I didn't catch so much as a whisper of other garlean rp'ers and that's what I'm basing my original comment on primarily. lol

 

of course i'll also be the first to admit that just because I didn't see/hear it, didn't mean it wasn't there. Just nothing I witnessed. only emphasizing that if it was as common as it was suggested, yanoo haha

 

There are indeed a ton of undercover Garleans out there (you just don't see them because they're undercover *cough*cough*). Then again, there was a group of them who would just discuss Garlean-y things in the middle of taverns. Probably not the best way to approach that.

 

well when I was referencing finding other garleans, I wasn't meaning icly specifically lol that would just be silly

 

Of course, it was a (failed) joke! But there are those who don't like to advertise it even OOC for fear of metagaming.

 

ya unfortunately that's an unchanging issue no matter what community one slips into :c

[LiveVoltage]

Hrm. . . I dont see a problem discussing RP events and thing's that happen OOCly with others. The problem though is when people use it to metagame with it, but even then seasoned RPers tend to not make the metagame mistake unless it's just an elaborate trolling joke.

 

As for Garlean RPers, it really depends on what side of the fence you are in. If you are pro-Garlean Empire and support the conquest of Eorzea then the Garlemald FC would be a good group to aim for. If you are actually a Garlean who has fled from the Garlean land to escape the tyranny of the empire then generally you will find that the RP groups for Anti-Garlemald Garleans is generally scattered and unceteralized.

 

Another reason they could not be responding could be a number of things, such as chat box flooding, ambient noise blocking out the ping message, being AFK, etc. Keep at it though. Someone will respond eventually.     

[Artigan]

Size queens bitching their "poles" aren't "long" enough.

[Oli!]

The problem with these sorts of skills is that they can't be put back once they've been drawn, you know? Once you reveal your character can instantly put holes in someone from fifty feet away, you'd sort of expect that to become the mainline maneuver, right?

 

 

...Until you skewer them with a giant ice spike placed directly where you were standing a few seconds ago.

 

TEAM BLACK MAGE WINS AGAIN

 

YOU CANNOT STOP US

[Kellach Woods]

Well, OBVIOUSLY because they didn't give WAR a gap closer.

[Berrod Armstrong]

 

Did...did you guys even sleep...?

[Kellach Woods]

I did. I just have to wake up early to get told everyone's there so I can leave work at noon.

[Oli!]

I did. I just have to wake up early to get told

 

WELCOME TO TOLD CITY

 

POPULATION: YOU

 

 

 

 

Also sleeping is for amateurs and losers.

[OttoVann]

My personal theory as to why people aren't favorites of Dragoons in RP is because they are bona-fide and verified badasses, especially compared to the other jobs.

 

How many jobs in game, especially the melee dps ones are just as hardcore as dragoons? Dragoons by nature are elite. They're not just strong berserkers, they're not just naruto ninjutsu masters, and they do more than channel aether like Brock Lee does and punch shit hard. They're the definition of martialed, what I can equate to Delta Force. They literally kill dragons and they live for it, how many monks punch dragons to death and how many ninjas cut a dragon 1000 times to kill it? How many warriors swing an axe hard enough to kill a dragon (in fact we see in the Heavensward trailer the derp-master giving up his warrior ways to be a Dragoon).

 

There could be an argument for BlackMages being just as 'powerful' as dragoons because they also straight bring the boom.

 

In short Dragoons by their nature are hardcore. Not all jobs have this background, and thus people want to discount them outright (at least subconsciously) because the job feels way stronger than they are (and its very possibly true depending on your take on lore).

 

Believe it.

[Berrod Armstrong]

My personal theory as to why people aren't favorites of Dragoons in RP is because they are bona-fide and verified badasses, especially compared to the other jobs.

 

How many jobs in game, especially the melee dps ones are just as hardcore as dragoons?  Dragoons by nature are elite.  They're not just strong berserkers, they're not just naruto ninjutsu masters, and they do more than channel aether like Brock Lee does and punch shit hard.  They're the definition of martialed, what I can equate to Delta Force.  They literally kill dragons and they live for it, how many monks punch dragons to death and how many ninjas cut a dragon 1000 times to kill it?  How many warriors swing an axe hard enough to kill a dragon (in fact we see in the Heavensward trailer the derp-master giving up his warrior ways to be a Dragoon).

 

There could be an argument for BlackMages being just as 'powerful' as dragoons because they also straight bring the boom.

 

In short Dragoons by  their nature are hardcore.  Not all jobs have this background, and thus people want to discount them outright (at least subconsciously)  because the job feels way stronger than they are (and its very possibly true depending on your take on lore).

 

Believe it.

Pssst, there's a quest in Coerthas where you have to go rescue a bunch of whiny Dragoons in Whitebrim. They're just as diverse as any other job/class/group. There's the elite, and there's the babbus. The hardcore isn't so much in their 'nature' as it is in the way we the fans raise them up.

[Melkire]

Did...did you guys even sleep...?

 

Nope, too busy tanking the floor.

 

#drglyfe

[Kage]

Did...did you guys even sleep...?

 

Nope, too busy tanking the floor.

 

#drglyfe

Too busy mudra'ing the floor amirite?

 

((gawd im so sorry I meant to hit send tell but it hit send trade and I was like FAWK))

[OttoVann]

My personal theory as to why people aren't favorites of Dragoons in RP is because they are bona-fide and verified badasses, especially compared to the other jobs.

 

How many jobs in game, especially the melee dps ones are just as hardcore as dragoons?  Dragoons by nature are elite.  They're not just strong berserkers, they're not just naruto ninjutsu masters, and they do more than channel aether like Brock Lee does and punch shit hard.  They're the definition of martialed, what I can equate to Delta Force.  They literally kill dragons and they live for it, how many monks punch dragons to death and how many ninjas cut a dragon 1000 times to kill it?  How many warriors swing an axe hard enough to kill a dragon (in fact we see in the Heavensward trailer the derp-master giving up his warrior ways to be a Dragoon).

 

There could be an argument for BlackMages being just as 'powerful' as dragoons because they also straight bring the boom.

 

In short Dragoons by  their nature are hardcore.  Not all jobs have this background, and thus people want to discount them outright (at least subconsciously)  because the job feels way stronger than they are (and its very possibly true depending on your take on lore).

 

Believe it.

Pssst, there's a quest in Coerthas where you have to go rescue a bunch of whiny Dragoons in Whitebrim. They're just as diverse as any other job/class/group. There's the elite, and there's the babbus. The hardcore isn't so much in their 'nature' as it is in the way we the fans raise them up.

 

While this is true, there is also the fact that the job description is indeed everything I said. How individuals drum it up is one thing, how the job is broadcast is another.

[Warren Castille]

While this is true, there is also the fact that the job description is indeed everything I said. How individuals drum it up is one thing, how the job is broadcast is another.

 

While this is true, the stereotype is that every single dragoon player is playing the untouchable badass version of the class. Compare it to the fledgling monks working on their chakras, the barmaids and vendors, the veritable ARMY of in-training paladins, or any other combination of people roleplaying the not-elite-elite.

 

It's not true, that's why it's a stereotype, but part of why DRG is considered such an "ace" class is because they tend to get the playerbase of people who only ever play the best of the best at something. It takes all sorts to make the world work, but the DRG stereotype is the loudest one.

[Melkire]

Nope, too busy tanking the floor.

 

#drglyfe

Too busy mudra'ing the floor amirite?

 

((gawd im so sorry I meant to hit send tell but it hit send trade and I was like FAWK))

 

It was Gorgimera and no one was silencing. I had completely forgotten that NIN has a silence on Jugulate while in Wasp. I love Viper's stun too much.

 

((that makes for such an exploitable trolling method. Follow someone around and open trade every time they try to teleport))

[Gegenji]

((that makes for such an exploitable trolling method. Follow someone around and open trade every time they try to teleport))

 

(Somebody totally did that to me last night and I was all "wait, WHAT?" I /shocked, they /chuckle'd, and then I teleported away.)

[Val]

 

While this is true, the stereotype is that every single dragoon player is playing the untouchable badass version of the class. Compare it to the fledgling monks working on their chakras, the barmaids and vendors, the veritable ARMY of in-training paladins, or any other combination of people roleplaying the not-elite-elite.

 

It's not true, that's why it's a stereotype, but part of why DRG is considered such an "ace" class is because they tend to get the playerbase of people who only ever play the best of the best at something. It takes all sorts to make the world work, but the DRG stereotype is the loudest one.

 

Pretty much this. I expect the same to come of Ninja shortly, if it hasn't already. I've already seen a bunch of Narujas flipping around and spamming lightning mudra like it doesn't take any effort and seeing through smoke using sound :v

 

Meanwhile, Val hasn't mastered a single mudra. He can barely use water, and even then it takes a looooong time to concentrate. I suppose some people just don't like the build-up, but I prefer it. It gives your character... well. Character.

[Mahorela]

Excuse me if its been covered already but i think everyone misses the biggest point against Dragoons. They can jump, they can fight, they're good at their job. Why is irrelevant, i have one qualm with them.

 

"Why are you in Ul'dah" 

 

Dragoons are not super rare, but they're trained exclusively by Ishgard and they covet this training. They're also shown to be quite xenophobic and closed off in lore. Dragoon rpers either have to have forsaken Ishgard(unlikely if you've dedicated your life to becoming one of its greatest protectors) and hide that side of themselves or break lore. That's why i don't like Dragoon rpers, has nothing to do with their fancy combat or really silly armor.

[OttoVann]

 

While this is true, the stereotype is that every single dragoon player is playing the untouchable badass version of the class. Compare it to the fledgling monks working on their chakras, the barmaids and vendors, the veritable ARMY of in-training paladins, or any other combination of people roleplaying the not-elite-elite.

 

It's not true, that's why it's a stereotype, but part of why DRG is considered such an "ace" class is because they tend to get the playerbase of people who only ever play the best of the best at something. It takes all sorts to make the world work, but the DRG stereotype is the loudest one.

 

Pretty much this. I expect the same to come of Ninja shortly, if it hasn't already. I've already seen a bunch of Narujas flipping around and spamming lightning mudra like it doesn't take any effort and seeing through smoke using sound :v

 

Meanwhile, Val hasn't mastered a single mudra. He can barely use water, and even then it takes a looooong time to concentrate. I suppose some people just don't like the build-up, but I prefer it. It gives your character... well. Character.

 

But what if they were always a ninja from Doma and not someone trying it out just now like Val? Doesn't it make sense then?

[Val]

 

While this is true, the stereotype is that every single dragoon player is playing the untouchable badass version of the class. Compare it to the fledgling monks working on their chakras, the barmaids and vendors, the veritable ARMY of in-training paladins, or any other combination of people roleplaying the not-elite-elite.

 

It's not true, that's why it's a stereotype, but part of why DRG is considered such an "ace" class is because they tend to get the playerbase of people who only ever play the best of the best at something. It takes all sorts to make the world work, but the DRG stereotype is the loudest one.

 

Pretty much this. I expect the same to come of Ninja shortly, if it hasn't already. I've already seen a bunch of Narujas flipping around and spamming lightning mudra like it doesn't take any effort and seeing through smoke using sound :v

 

Meanwhile, Val hasn't mastered a single mudra. He can barely use water, and even then it takes a looooong time to concentrate. I suppose some people just don't like the build-up, but I prefer it. It gives your character... well. Character.

 

But what if they were always a ninja from Doma and not someone trying it out just now like Val?  Doesn't it make sense then?

 

It does, but the class has limitations. Unless they're a miqo'te or another race with acute hearing, I'll never believe someone can "hear through fog"--and even then I'm going to be very skeptical. With mudra, the lore specifically states that it takes a LOT of energy to use even one, and that quick-firing them is out of the question.

[Gegenji]

Being a Doma-native, Chachan just watches all this "sooper ninjuh" stuff going on around him and just shakes his head. Then someone walks by him and he's gone, leaving a small carved wooden rabbit in his wake*.

 

 

* This sentence may or may not be completely made up. He's more likely just doing his usual dork-running around the Quicksand and (OOCly) jumping over people because he's a goof.

[Zyrusticae]

Excuse me if its been covered already but i think everyone misses the biggest point against Dragoons. They can jump, they can fight, they're good at their job. Why is irrelevant, i have one qualm with them.

 

"Why are you in Ul'dah" 

 

Dragoons are not super rare, but they're trained exclusively by Ishgard and they covet this training. They're also shown to be quite xenophobic and closed off in lore. Dragoon rpers either have to have forsaken Ishgard(unlikely if you've dedicated your life to becoming one of its greatest protectors) and hide that side of themselves or break lore. That's why i don't like Dragoon rpers, has nothing to do with their fancy combat or really silly armor.

This is a fair point. Frankly, I don't see why people can't just play badass lancers but I guess they really like to jump or something. Kind of sucks that so many players don't give due reverence to the lore in this regard.

 

[...] Unless they're a miqo'te or another race with acute hearing[...]

Miqo'te are NOT the "acute hearing" race. They have a stronger sense of smell but it's the Elezen you go to for sensitive ears.

 

Would be funny if someone roleplayed a Miqo'te smelling you through smoke, but then again, doesn't that smoke clog up the nostrils as well? Heh. Not that I'd know. I don't have a cat's or dog's nose, either!

[Artigan]

Excuse me if its been covered already but i think everyone misses the biggest point against Dragoons. They can jump, they can fight, they're good at their job. Why is irrelevant, i have one qualm with them.

 

"Why are you in Ul'dah" 

 

Dragoons are not super rare, but they're trained exclusively by Ishgard and they covet this training. They're also shown to be quite xenophobic and closed off in lore. Dragoon rpers either have to have forsaken Ishgard(unlikely if you've dedicated your life to becoming one of its greatest protectors) and hide that side of themselves or break lore. That's why i don't like Dragoon rpers, has nothing to do with their fancy combat or really silly armor.

This is a fair point. Frankly, I don't see why people can't just play badass lancers but I guess they really like to jump or something. Kind of sucks that so many players don't give due reverence to the lore in this regard.

 

[...] Unless they're a miqo'te or another race with acute hearing[...]

Miqo'te are NOT the "acute hearing" race. They have a stronger sense of smell but it's the Elezen you go to for sensitive ears.

 

Would be funny if someone roleplayed a Miqo'te smelling you through smoke, but then again, doesn't that smoke clog up the nostrils as well? Heh. Not that I'd know. I don't have a cat's or dog's nose, either!

 

Miqotes also have very powerful legs. Makes them actually ideal Monks, Ninjas, and Dragoons.

[Gegenji]

Obviously Lalafell would make the best Dragoons. One, they're so small that you're likely not to notice one until it's on top of you; and two, they can be thrown for added ferocity to their strikes. :thumbsup:

[Val]

 

[...] Unless they're a miqo'te or another race with acute hearing[...]

Miqo'te are NOT the "acute hearing" race. They have a stronger sense of smell but it's the Elezen you go to for sensitive ears.

 

Would be funny if someone roleplayed a Miqo'te smelling you through smoke, but then again, doesn't that smoke clog up the nostrils as well? Heh. Not that I'd know. I don't have a cat's or dog's nose, either!

 

I keep hearing different things about them, and I've seen some people RP that they have good hearing, smell, and powerful legs. I've SEEN where SE says they have a great sense of smell and powerful legs, so I just made it to be a Miqo'te to show that it would be one I would at least be somewhat willing to accept.

 

I'd say smelling through smoke would be harder than hearing someone, considering what you said. It would clog the senses and likely cloud over whatever scent the enemy has with that sooty smoke smell. Not to mention that being able to smell someone =/= knowing what that person is gonna do.