The Vent Tent - Poor PuGs and Other Terrible Tales

[Kyrio Lamansque]

(and an unoptimal speedrun makeup)

 

 

Counter-Rant: People in DF, of ANY class, who absolutely insist on a speed-run and act like spoiled toddlers if the rest of the party might, indeed, have new players, or if they want to uncover the whole dungeon area, or who COULD perform their roles if one player wasn't charging ahead full blast without warning and yelling at anyone who doesn't keep up.

 

And yeah, Tanks, I love you for taking the hard role, but if you do this and you're a jerk about it, go lick Trachtoum's subligar.

I have to admit it. When I have Kyr in his WAR outfit, I can be a liiiitle bit jerky. I don't do care for speed runs but... I always have my signs up. Even though I'm typically 'Type B', as soon as I gain a modicum of control I turn into 'Type A'. 

 

I don't say anything until someone just does their own thing. But as soon as they do I'm like 'Follow my signs. If you attack something other than 1 while 1 is still up and you pull it off me? You're tanking it.' You don't know how many times the DPS have bitched at me because I demand people play by the Tank's rules. At least when I'm the one tanking. =B

[Chris Ganale]

I have to admit it. When I have Kyr in his WAR outfit, I can be a liiiitle bit jerky. I don't do care for speed runs but... I always have my signs up. Even though I'm typically 'Type B', as soon as I gain a modicum of control I turn into 'Type A'. 

 

I don't say anything until someone just does their own thing. But as soon as they do I'm like 'Follow my signs. If you attack something other than 1 while 1 is still up and you pull it off me? You're tanking it.' You don't know how many times the DPS have bitched at me because I demand people play by the Tank's rules. At least when I'm the one tanking. =B

 

Pretty similar to my rule for raids and stuff. If you're an impatient BLM who drops thunder on a boss or a group before I even move, I'll let it kill you, then Voke'ahawk it.

[Kiera Hawkeye]

This one time I was running normal Darkhold. I was DRG, first time running it. Well, so was our tank and healer. Bard wasn't. I had read up on the fight before hand, so I at least had some idea what to do. So we go, and have an extremely hard time of the dungeon. Like, I couldn't believe. The tanks pulls a bit too much than we can handle, get wiped a couple times. Bard ragequits, and thankfully a friendly BLM gets in, and helps us through it. Get to the final boss. Wipe. Wipe. Wipe. Wipe. Eventually finish with, like, 5 min left. God, what a waste. Just ended up doing it for the xp. I don't like that dungeon, even when I have good runs in it.

 

I'm tanking on my rp main, my DRG is on a different server, but I've done the whole "Pull before tank" thing a couple of times, and got ripped for it. As such, I've usually just waited for the tank to pull, and then just start attacking what they pull. But I've grown to really miss DPS. Tank is just a mess, but I'm doing it for rp gear. I want to get better at it, but at the same time not really. I miss just being able to kill things (why do tanks have such cool armor...)

[Kurt S.]

My god...that moment when your tank is a retard but wait...he's a bot and you have to prove once again that in terms of tanking, Black Mage>Paladin. Unlimited sustain or party wipe. Unlimited physick for the win..it felt good but damn was it infuriating...In fact it's infuria---*pops Steel Cyclone*

 

Also venting this shit out of my system cuz it's been eating it at me for a while ... or not.

 

 

I just gotta say I ask around how to do shit or verify shit because from how I've seen people post here with absolute knowledge and certainty in what they're doing I feel like if I don't churn something that even barely hits their expectations, I'm never gonna see role play again. 

 

This from a guy who, even until now(like 4 months in the making, maybe more), still gets shoved aside because cliques or something. I mean seriously why bother in the first place amirite? I get the feeling that I'm doing something wrong and that it's just not the cliques that factor into it but my own inability to step in tune with everyone else's standards because of a lack of knowledge. 

 

I'll simply reiterate what I said when I put up that combat RP advice shit thing. See I got into some combat RP not the first, mind you but the one that really really made me realize how inadequate I am like holy shit, I can't do a fraction of what you're doing so I'll just let Ramen get the living shit beaten out of her because I have no idea how to retaliate that would...I dunno make sense to you who's been doing it for a while. I dun wanna disappoint.

 

Granted, I'm still poring over everything that's said in that thread and frankly I can only understand a fraction of it half the time. Freeform or rolls, I still think I could use that to construct something that would at least hit the high standards I see you people put around. Synthesize the use of aether in it, etc etc. Take note, I see, my perception as a complete noob cake to the whole business of role playing in general. No, this isn't about just combat RP but RP in its entirety.

 

I feel like I'm flying blind into a dungeon run for the first time and I'm afraid I let people down due to my lack of expertise. You all churn out walls and the best I can do is a paragraph that's like fraction of it and I don't know if I have enough substance in it to work on or bounce something off. I liken it to the anxiety of waiting for the queue to pop. 

 

Then I finally jump into the dungeon and everyone is helping me along the way, maybe it's cuz I'm new blood maybe it's because of my extra soldieries they probably couldn't be bothered to care about. Seriously dangling extra soldieries to get help for dungeon runs does not work 80% of the time anymore but that's beside the point. I get in there, we're all doing fine but I get the feeling that I'm holding them back because I'm not nearly confident enough to speed run something which seems to be the norm. 

 

I'm fucken afraid that I can't seem to hold anyone's attention at all whenever I see someone walking around the QS or something and want to RP. Yeah I know, I'm the problem, yeah I know I just need to take that first step, yeah I know don't worry about a thing cuz every little things is gonna be alright. Now I can't say I don't get RP, I do but nothing lasting. A short 3 minute convo that included less words than if you were to tell introvert A to go make small talk to introvert B, and I don't even warrant being remembered on more than one occasion.

 

Granted they never got the names sure but not even a vague description of hey that dude in the red coatee that guy with the scars on his face, that bitch, that naive girl, that cat with a stick or that shin-sized puntable thing upon the next interaction. Na da, zilch. 

 

Ah but for the customary tl;dr:

 

The high standards of everyone else in the RP scene, I feel like I have to reach them or I'll never get any lasting RP at all. I have to be a student of the lore and get consistent A's or I don't get remembered. I have to learn how to churn out some sort of martial art's master's grade of combat post of simply saying Kurt's getting his ass kicked or I'm only going to be a fleeting memory.

 

 

I have to solve all these 99 problems or I'm not getting jack shit. It's been demoralizing but what can you do amirite? 

 

Stress stress stress stress stress

 

/rant

 

Welp that was another bad run I needed to get out of my system. Halatali NM tanking as a BLM was horrible until someone from the Tavern LS joined in and tanked like a champ. That felt guud but hey there's still 8 more books which means 24 more dungeons which means 24 more chances I run into the likes of bot tanks, dps or, god forbid, healers as well as dudes like refuse to be their 'job(WHM.BLM.etc etc' in a Cutter's Cry run, Cry indeed. Ask Kellach, he was there to witness that godawful healer, I don't even wanna think about him.

[Kellach Woods]

Hey Ramuhnuh

 

 

 

Uwee hee hee.

 

Anyway, enough with the Ted Woolsey Kefka laugh, I got a RNG rant and I'm gonna make it.

 

So as a few of you know, I'm procrastinating on getting Lights for Ragnarok because ayyyy I can get my BSM Lucis now and make it easier to do the rest of the Artisan Off-Hands I still need to do.

 

So, I have 20% chance of failure on getting a Rapid Synthesis, and 30/40 on a 80% chance to HQ Mummer's Daggers.

 

20% x 3 fails in a row.

 

[Gegenji]

So, I have 20% chance of failure on getting a Rapid Synthesis, and 30/40 on a 80% chance to HQ Mummer's Daggers.

 

20% x 3 fails in a row.

 

 

Oh jeez, don't get me started on those HQ Mummer's Daggers. Or HQ crafting in general. I've had way too may 92% Quality crafts turn out normal and I didn't notice until I was done with a batch because "that totally HQ'd." And so many Steady Hand II'd Hasty Touches that have failed on me in a row. I honestly believe that that chance percentage displayed for all actions is actually, like, 10-20 lower than actually shown unless it's a full 100.

[Branson Thorne]

So, I have 20% chance of failure on getting a Rapid Synthesis, and 30/40 on a 80% chance to HQ Mummer's Daggers.

 

20% x 3 fails in a row.

 

 

Oh jeez, don't get me started on those HQ Mummer's Daggers. Or HQ crafting in general. I've had way too may 92% Quality crafts turn out normal and I didn't notice until I was done with a batch because "that totally HQ'd." And so many Steady Hand II'd Hasty Touches that have failed on me in a row. I honestly believe that that chance percentage displayed for all actions is actually, like, 10-20 lower than actually shown unless it's a full 100.

None of my crafting classes are really that high, but I can fail ingots at 20% HQ rate for hours without nailing even one.

[Kage]

I spent a bunch of money to keep failing at these mummer's.

 

Need to learn to craft. ; ;

[Melkire]

Had a dragoon ez-mode their way through WP HM (Exp Rou) with me tanking last night. Heavy Thrust and Full Thrust combo only. No Phleb and no Chaos Thrust combo until we wiped on the last boss because DPS didnt down adds in time to save the healer.

 

Let me repeat that. Lv 50 DRG in i100+ didnt DoT or Disembowel a thing throughout a whole dungeon until I called for more DPS. No jumps either.

 

Lazy time-wasting shit.

[Gegenji]

Had a dragoon ez-mode their way through WP HM (Exp Rou) with me tanking last night. Heavy Thrust and Full Thrust combo only. No Phleb and no Chaos Thrust combo until we wiped on the last boss because DPS didnt down adds in time to save the healer.

 

Let me repeat that. Lv 50 DRG in i100+ didnt DoT or Disembowel a thing throughout a whole dungeon until I called for more DPS. No jumps either.

 

I got into a Cutter's Cry run while leveling NIN on Gogon a couple days ago. The Paladin tank (who, going by his relic, was working on his books) ONLY used the Riot Blade combo. Did not use an Oath, did not use Flash. A regen tick after a good solid few seconds of waiting would have all the adds he wasn't focusing on going after the healer. And he would just sit there.

 

Riot Blading.

 

You're darn right we votekicked him. _<>

[Kage]

I don't know if it's anyone else...

 

but as a healer, when I SCH, it's -painfully- obvious when a group's dps isn't enough. Especially so when a tank has pulled A LOT.

 

Because I'm not in a state of, should I be trying to contribut- NO NO NO LUSTRATE PHYSICK OK I GOTTA HEAL THE TANK..... why is this still -all- of the mobs? NGHH T_T

[Iex]

I don't know if it's anyone else...

 

but as a healer, when I SCH, it's -painfully- obvious when a group's dps isn't enough. Especially so when a tank has pulled A LOT.

 

Because I'm not in a state of, should I be trying to contribut- NO NO NO LUSTRATE PHYSICK OK I GOTTA HEAL THE TANK..... why is this still -all- of the mobs? NGHH T_T

 

Back when Speed running Brayflox HM was considered standard, and I was healing that stuff, I could always tell when the DPS was not up to the task.

 

A scholar only has so many bags of tricks before it ends up going bad if the mob count isn't down low enough that you literally are not mashing the keys to keep the tank and DPS alive for than 30 seconds. It is like a tug of war where you slowly are losing unless the DPS remove some of the other team.

[Gegenji]

A scholar only has so many bags of tricks before it ends up going bad if the mob count isn't down low enough that you literally are not mashing the keys to keep the tank and DPS alive for than 30 seconds. It is like a tug of war where you slowly are losing unless the DPS remove some of the other team.

 

Seriously. If I went through SIX Aetherflow stacks trying to keep the tank up and we still died? Something's up. Though, what is "up" could be many things.

 

In the case I mentioned, it was the tank thinking that he could totally pull and tank half the mobs outside the crystal light in Darkhold. Because "you should be able to keep me up." Yes, fellow level 50, I possibly could if you were in the light - or if we weren't level synced and I had access to all of my abilities. :frustrated:

[Melkire]

I don't know if it's anyone else...

 

but as a healer, when I SCH, it's -painfully- obvious when a group's dps isn't enough. Especially so when a tank has pulled A LOT.

 

Because I'm not in a state of, should I be trying to contribut- NO NO NO LUSTRATE PHYSICK OK I GOTTA HEAL THE TANK..... why is this still -all- of the mobs? NGHH T_T

 

Trust me, the tank feels it just as badly if not more so. Except in the tank's case, it's "...I've cycled through all my mitigation cooldowns and the mobs are still up. Probably gonna die soon. Shit shit shit shit shit healer pls ffffffuuuuuuu--"

[Kage]

I don't know if it's anyone else...

 

but as a healer, when I SCH, it's -painfully- obvious when a group's dps isn't enough. Especially so when a tank has pulled A LOT.

 

Because I'm not in a state of, should I be trying to contribut- NO NO NO LUSTRATE PHYSICK OK I GOTTA HEAL THE TANK..... why is this still -all- of the mobs? NGHH T_T

 

Trust me, the tank feels it just as badly if not more so. Except in the tank's case, it's "...I've cycled through all my mitigation cooldowns and the mobs are still up. Probably gonna die soon. Shit shit shit shit shit healer pls ffffffuuuuuuu--"

 

BUT THE TANK KEEPS PULLING THE SAME AMOUNT T_T

 

edit in!

In the case I mentioned, it was the tank thinking that he could totally pull and tank half the mobs outside the crystal light in Darkhold. Because "you should be able to keep me up." Yes, fellow level 50, I possibly could if you were in the light - or if we weren't level synced and I had access to all of my abilities. :frustrated:

IMO for Darkhold, you ain't in the light, you dead.

[Melkire]

I don't know if it's anyone else...

 

but as a healer, when I SCH, it's -painfully- obvious when a group's dps isn't enough. Especially so when a tank has pulled A LOT.

 

Because I'm not in a state of, should I be trying to contribut- NO NO NO LUSTRATE PHYSICK OK I GOTTA HEAL THE TANK..... why is this still -all- of the mobs? NGHH T_T

 

Trust me, the tank feels it just as badly if not more so. Except in the tank's case, it's "...I've cycled through all my mitigation cooldowns and the mobs are still up. Probably gonna die soon. Shit shit shit shit shit healer pls ffffffuuuuuuu--"

 

BUT THE TANK KEEPS PULLING THE SAME AMOUNT T_T

 

I can only speak for myself.

 

1. I check which DPS classes/jobs are in party with me.

2. If I have at least one THM/BLM, or some combination of class/job that lends itself well to AoE DPS (DRG/BRD), then I pull big.

3. If big pull doesn't go over well, I reassess and account for low DPS or strained healing.

4. I adjust the following pulls accordingly.

[Chris Ganale]

I wouldn't say DRG make for decent aoe damage. Better than MNK to be certain, but Ring of Thorns and Doom Spike are small potatoes.

[SunTzu7]

I don't usually check the DPS for big pulls unless they're very undergeared, but I always ask at the start if everyone's comfortable with big pulls. If they say yes and people die anyway, or if I have to start spamming cooldowns (or God forbid, pop Hallowed Ground), I'll adjust accordingly.

 

Alternately, if I'm healing, I like to think I'm perfectly capable of handling whatever madcap suicide methods disguised as tactics you decide to do.

 

But people who don't stand in the crystal light, even after I explained that five times and why won't you stand in the goddamn light. That can try me.

[Sounsyy]

I don't usually check the DPS for big pulls unless they're very undergeared, but I always ask at the start if everyone's comfortable with big pulls. If they say yes and people die anyway, or if I have to start spamming cooldowns (or God forbid, pop Hallowed Ground), I'll adjust accordingly.

 

Um, just curious. Why would you not pop Hallowed Ground or buff on Big Pulls? I mean, if you're pulling 10+ mobs, that's like the single best time to use Hallowed Ground. Can't think of a single boss fight in any dungeon where I'd even consider needing 10s of invincibility.

 

More buffs (especially PLD, cuz when I heal dungeons it's amazing seeing how many PLDs never pop a single buff during the whole dungeon run) means less damage and less damage is more DPSing a healer can do to supplement DPS, especially if you don't have a BLM.

[Melkire]

I wouldn't say DRG make for decent aoe damage. Better than MNK to be certain, but Ring of Thorns and Doom Spike are small potatoes.

 

I'd argue that DRG and NIN are the more acceptable melee DPS choices for big pulls. MNK can AoE DPS reliably for as long as Perfect Balance lasts and that's it, then they're back to spreading DoTs and hammering away at single targets as quickly as they can while maybe, MAYBE throwing out a Rockbreaker every third weaponskill GCD.

 

Ultimately, how far I pull and how many trash mobs I pull will depend on the group composition. MNK and SMN? Nope. BRD and BLM? Yes please.

[SunTzu7]

Fair enough question and the answer is that I'm geared for vit. I dodge AoE's and Stoneskin myself, which means if I pull ten enemies or so, a WHM just needs to chuck a benediction if they want to DPS with Holy, or Lustrate.

 

I always tailor my pulls to what I feel my party can handle, even of they clear me for full pulls.

[Kage]

Plus DRG/BRD together are pretty awesome.

 

It's just... not everyone knows how to make it worthwhile.

 

it just sucks when a tank pulls 10 mobs in WPHM and doesn't realize that I spent 6 stacks trying to keep him alive and there's -still more-. ; ; Because he keeps doing those pulls

 

DPS don't usually just change gears and ramp it up. ; ;

[Kurt S.]

I have literally been in my shortest SoF run across all my characters. 

 

See I went into SoF cuz I needed it to progress Kurt through the MSQ. So while the cutscene was playing for me. I decided to take the time and say.

 

'Hey, I'm still kind of unfamiliar with the trial. Honestly, this is my first time tanking it."

 

The other tank drops. The rest of the party vote abandons after the healer drops.

 

I was in the there for the entirety of 10 seconds.

 

10 seconds while I wasted 20minutes trying to get in.

[Chris Ganale]

...Holy fuckballs that is ridiculous.

[Kurt S.]

Fucken ridiculous but it fucken happened anyway. Still though, what the fuck were they smoking when they decided to put up SoF as a mandatory thing?