Racial relationships

[Desu Nee]

I'm pretty crossbreed is also heavily discouraged culturally wise. I mean the Miq'ote and Elezen really have a within one's clan policy.

[Enzo]

I'm pretty crossbreed is also heavily discouraged culturally wise. I mean the Miq'ote and Elezen really have a within one's clan policy.

 

Correct, but we are theorizing what a person should do if they DO cross breed. Because just because the cultural norms are there, does not mean we have to follow them. While stereotypes has basis, you can say Every American loves McDonalds and every Englishman loves fine tea.

[Kamome]

It would be seriously physically dangerous for a Miqo'te, Midlander or Lalafell to have a Roegadyn's child, or even an Elezen's or Highlander's child. I mean, sex aside, there is just not enough physical room. IRL, both my little brother and I were premature c-sections due to the fact that my mom is a tiny 4'11" Korean lady and my dad is a giant 6'4" Swedish dude. Not fun for her. And that's just a little bit over a foot difference in height.

[Chris Ganale]

I think I have one same-race pairing.

 

Ganale has been infatuated with miqo'te all his life, though he's never split hairs about keepers or seekers. He knows all the differences yeah, because he's a creeper and tried to learn everything about miqo'te he could, but whether an object of his affection is a sun cat or a night cat has never bothered him. Though given he's confessed to a Keeper who is practically snubbing him partially because she's a snooty scholarly type and partially because her upbringing has imparted a sexist mindset, and he has a daytime job in the Sagolii Desert when he lives in the Lavender Beds means they like never get to see each other... Yeah, he's had a bad love live.

 

Tahz is married to another Seeker so he's the one. Granted they're different tribes but they both didn't like the way their lives were going so left and met later. Babies ever after.

 

Seno and Motoko are both hyur, but she's highlander and he's midlander. But I honestly don't even differentiate between the two, nor do I ...-Ponders- In retrospect, I only differentiate between Keepers and Seekers.... So yeah. Those two are technically cross-race.

 

Oh, wait, no, Garon and Tessa are also both midlanders. REDACTED: THOSE TWO ARE NOT A COUPLE I'M NOT KIDDING.

 

Cres and Maresia are a midlander and a Keeper, but they're odd in that they're not together (yet) and she's...not...technically..? a miqo'te. Long story.

 

Yuuna and Hotaru are great, Yuuna is a midlander and Hotaru's going to be an Au Ra. That's going to be fun.

[Lost River]

From what I've seen and think its lore supported, is that Roegadyn and Lalafell are not genetically compatible with any other species other than their own.

 

But, Hyur, Miqo'te, and Elezen are; so it'd suggest a similar ancestor. So, in reality, on three species exist and one is split into three (or four if Au Ra turn out to be genetically compatible).

[Enzo]

How about this, as the subject of Half breeds interests me a lot and I have been wanting to get this somewhat cleared up. Assuming you get past the cultural boundaries, what are the physical probabilities of racial blending? Let me try to explain it using Punnett square's. Lets assume there is an order of dominance over other races that dictates what race they will be born as and the probability of sucessful breeding with other races.

 

Lalafell <- Would be the most dominant. Anything breeding with this race will come out as a lalafell, at least initially.

 

Miqo'te <- The second most dominant, anything breeding with this race will come out a miqo'te unless it is a lalafell.

 

Hyur <- The absolute middle, It can breed with anything above and below it, but will be recessive in the upper levels and dominant in lower levels.

 

Elezen <- Would be dominant above Roegadyn but again recessive towards everything above.

 

Roegadyn <- Always reccesive. Breeding with any other race will turn out as a non Roe unless both races breeding together are half roe.

 

With Hyur as the base, breeding one up or one down will result in a 25% chance of failure compared to normal, but still possible. So if to breed between two hyur you need to roll a seventy five or lower on two d10's, then you now need to roll a 50 or lower in order to sucessfully breed between a Hyur and Miqo'te/Elezen.

 

Two away would result in a the bar lowering to 25 or lower in order to sucessfully breed with a Roe/Lala as a Hyur.

 

Three away would result in about a 12 or lower out of 100 then four away would result in 6 or lower out of 100. Those are my estimates should it be possible to breed between every race. Although there are some who would consider four away too far away to breed with each other.

 

The first offspring of a two pure blood race would be the dominant race. No doubt. But the second round of offspring is where the Punnet Square comes in. If you have a Mix Breed between a Miqo'te and a Hyur, then you mate with another Hyur or another Miqo'te. There is a chance you could have a Hyur and a chance you could have another Miqo'te/Hyur Mix. While genetically you would still have some miqo'te, your physical appearance would be more dominantly Hyur if you rolled to be more on the Hyur side of your Punnet square. The implemention of Punnet squares do not factor the blending of traits. But it can give an explanation for multi generational offspring of mixed breeds. You can just assume whatever race the punnet square provides will be their dominant race (Not their entire race) and that will be the race they would be playing a character as. Although they could still easily have traits of the other race :3

 

This above is all assuming you are breeding within your race/races If you get a Miqo'te/Hyur then have them breed with a Roe, I would just roll the difficulty as that of your Dominant race. More than two race half breeds make my head hurt though... (although the half Hyur part could better give you a reason to go Highlander as your mix between the two and drop your ears/tail.)

 

How does that sound to all of you? A reasonable explanation?

[Kellach Woods]

All of you saying you can't see Lalas being with Roes/Highlanders have seriously grandiose ideas on their bait and tackle.

[Aduu Avagnar]

From what I've seen and think its lore supported, is that Roegadyn and Lalafell are not genetically compatible with any other species other than their own.

 

But, Hyur, Miqo'te, and Elezen are; so it'd suggest a similar ancestor. So, in reality, on three species exist and one is split into three (or four if Au Ra turn out to be genetically compatible).

nothing in lore about no lalafell/roegadyn, just because there is no evidence of a potential coupling does not mean that is evidence for none.

[Aduu Avagnar]

With Hyur as the base, breeding one up or one down will result in a 25% chance of failure compared to normal, but still possible. So if to breed between two hyur you need to roll a seventy five or lower on two d10's, then you now need to roll a 50 or lower in order to sucessfully breed between a Hyur and Miqo'te/Elezen.

except exceedingly rare would be a lot lower than a 50% chance for a mixed offspring.

 

you would probably be looking at the single digits, as even a 25% chance would be too high.

[Enzo]

With Hyur as the base, breeding one up or one down will result in a 25% chance of failure compared to normal, but still possible. So if to breed between two hyur you need to roll a seventy five or lower on two d10's, then you now need to roll a 50 or lower in order to sucessfully breed between a Hyur and Miqo'te/Elezen.

except exceedingly rare would be a lot lower than a 50% chance for a mixed offspring.

 

you would probably be looking at the single digits, as even a 25% chance would be too high.

 

I don't think they are as rare as people put them off to be. Cultural reasons make them quite rare. But this is PHYSICAL reasons which Square spoke nothing of. So I am making my own assumptions to add to the reasoning why they are rare. But again, I don't believe they are single digit rare.

 

Lets assume only 1/200 of a pure blood race ever becomes interested in mating another race. Then that still makes them quite the minority. 1/200 is probably more NPC's then you may even be able to find in a major city. But the NPCs we see in Eorzea do not represent its total population. So therefore even if it is only as rare as 1/200, if there is a million+ People living on Eorzea. Then while rare. they are not extremely rare. And they don't need such a steep physical rareness to make then nearly impossible to be made. They are not albino or anything.

[Caspar]

I'm fine with the idea of lalafell romance even with mixed race couples, but I would rather gloss over the distasteful stuff. On a certain level, I can't not see them as children. I think that in setting other races would have a similar problem, and it takes a certain type of individual to look past that and recognize them for being fully fledged, mature adults.

 

Ahh... I tend to have very much the opposite opinion/experience. Many people I tend to deal with admit that they wouldn't romantically deal with a lalafell but for (the obvious) purely OoC reasons. I don't think I've actually ever met anyone ICly who's referred to lalafell as looking childlike. Though, granted... I play a lalafell exclusively, so maybe they're just hiding it from me!

Well naturally, I don't mean to suggest it's impossible, maybe not even rare. I like to think it's a challenge ICly, but not necessarily a complete barrier. For instance, maybe your character surrounds themselves with people who see them for who they are, and not how they look. I imagine the protective instinct most animals with long infancy/juvenile periods tend to feel is easily haywired. In those species, the baby is helpless for a very long time, as opposed to species where the child is born practically ready to hunt on its own. That's why I feel it's likely maternal/paternal instinct is so much stronger in those species.

 

It's like how people regard their pets. In reality, the animal is a fully grown adult. But because it's been trained to exhibit infantile behavior, people tend to think of them as young or needing protection. I think the same problem would exist for a small race. The qualities are reversed. Behavior in this case is like an adult, but the appearance is not. In regards to romance, getting over that barrier and making the other party understand they don't need to be babied could be an interesting challenge, and could provide a lot of rp opportunities. Of course that never would happen between Lalafell.

 

As for not saying it IC and only saying it OOC, maybe it's because there's a lot of different ideas on how to handle that dissonance, even in a thread like this, that it's maybe easier just to avoid the rp topic for some altogether? I don't know about that, though...

[Kellach Woods]

I seriously still don't get why this "childlike" mentality is still a thing. One of the main calculating villains we have right now is Teledji, we've seen Lalas be randy as hell, we've seen other Lalas be quite adultlike, live fulfilling adult lives...

 

So, why is it that RPers can't get into their heads that they aren't children?

[Kinono]

I seriously still don't get why this "childlike" mentality is still a thing. One of the main calculating villains we have right now is Teledji, we've seen Lalas be randy as hell, we've seen other Lalas be quite adultlike, live fulfilling adult lives...

 

So, why is it that RPers can't get into their heads that they aren't children?

 

That's the thing for me... I honestly don't see Lalafell as childlike. Even speaking purely physically, I just don't. They're far enough removed from Tarutaru to me to not look it, and the proportions of lalas are different enough from human that they're far removed from human children. If I saw a real-life person that had the porportions of a lalafell, I'd assume they were an adult that had dwarfism. The heads of lalas are HUGE. Our hips are HUGE. I read them more as "fey" than "child."

 

But... I can't really blame people all the same. The mannerisms and emotes just scream "childishness." Lalafell stumble when they use the huge Realm Reborn bottles, we waddle like some sort of toddler when we walk, and even SE seems to recognize the resemblance because when we wear revealing clothes, we get slightly more coverage than other races. I recognize the issue, even if I myself don't see it. It's just one of those things. 

 

Just because I can successfully separate doesn't mean others can, and no amount of words will ever change what other people perceive, and I can't blame them for that.

[Volk]

First, what a great topic! Rep to the OP! I see this from a few perspectives: my character - Ameline's perspective, and my personal 'live and let live' perspective as a person.

 

I) From Ameline's perspective, she isn't exactly traditional. While she tends to consort with fellow Wildwood Elezen vis-a-vis romance, she adopts a policy of aesthetic appreciation for all races and both genders. As of this moment, she participates in a romantic companionship with a fellow Wildwood Elezen female. That said, she has been in the company of a Sea Wolf Roegadyn before and was quite content with the situation. Despite seeming tolerance, if she were to actually attempt to procreate, she would never go outside of her own race (or even with a Duskwight, for that matter). The lore dictates that Elezen are the 'firstborn':

 

The Elezen are a traditionally nomadic people who in former times claimed sole dominion over Eorzea, their presence predating that of the other races. Believing this prominence to be ordained by the gods, they came to develop an esteemed sense of honor and pride.

 

Their characteristically tall, slim physiques and elongated limbs are part of a successful adaptation to the land’s various environments. Indeed, it is said that their highly sensitive ears can discern the squeak of a field mouse at a distance of up to several malms.

 

The Elezen perceived the immigration of the Hyur as tantamount to invasion, and as a result the two share a past plagued by warfare. At present, however, they can be seen coexisting peacefully, the exception being the reclusive Duskwight Elezen.

 

Due to these racial traits, Ameline would feel like a 'half-breed' would rob her offspring of his/her godsgiven hereditary entitlements. In regard to simply consorting with Hyur, Ameline is wary to trust them. Not simply for the sordid history between the two races, but also due to her own personal history of not getting on well with the Hyur she knows with a small handful of exceptions.

 

II) As far as my live and let live philosophy as a player and a person, I say go wild! It's not my place to tell someone that they aren't following conventional lore and should rethink their character's proclivities. So long as it falls within the realm of possibility, I love the diversity! Also, I admit to defaulting to the whole Lalafell as children mentality from time to time. But some RPers such as Chachan have shown me through my 3rd party observation that this is absolutely not true! Thanks for the new perspective!

 

Anyways, my 2 cents!

[Gegenji]

Also, I admit to defaulting to the whole Lalafell as children mentality from time to time. But some RPers such as Chachan have shown me through my 3rd party observation that this is absolutely not true! Thanks for the new perspective!

 

You'd figure the way I act with Chachan would further strengthen the "Lalafell as children" mentality. :lol:

[Seriphyn]

I'm going to be blunt and say that seeing Lalafell as "childlike" is probably an impression of real-life tastes. If you grew up in Ul'dah, chances are it is very unlikely you would consider Lalafells to be "children", given their presence as Brass Blades and Flames, so on. They have ruled Ul'dah (alongside Midlanders mind) as the main land power for centuries. I don't see how one could perceive them as children, unless you're from a place that doesn't have them.

 

For Kale, I aim to fully make him a product of his upbringing. So when people say "Oh these Lalafell are so cute and childlike!", he looks at the person with an expression that wordlessly speaks "What the fuck are you on..."

[TheLastCandle]

Sadly, the emotes and animations Square Enix chose to give Lalafell does very little to help stymie the "childlike" image some players have given them. The way they are presented by most NPCs within the story does contradict this, but so long as there are people playing their Lalafell as child-like or using them as a stand-in for actual children in the game, it ain't goin' away any time soon.

 

The closest analogy I can think of in regards to Lalafell is to the Halfling race - as presented in most D&D settings, and not necessarily Tolkien's original Hobbits. This is for the most part a bit of headcanon on my part. But some of the Plainsfolk background lore in particular seems to support this, and I could easily see my own Hibito fitting neatly into Forgotten Realms as a somewhat eccentric Lightfoot halfling. He's.. not very childlike.

 

For Yvelont's part, despite hailing from the relatively Lalafell-free Ishgard, he's had enough contact with Lalafell to treat them the same way he would a Hyur.

[Baja]

I can't say I've seen anyone OOCly protesting to it.

 

Lore wise though, it just kind of depends. ICly with characters, it depends, too. All about upbringing and background.

 

My characters personally do not give a flying turd. One is a midlander-miqo mix and, sometimes she gets a bit insecure about it yes, but I haven't had anyone in RP blast her for it, IC or OOC.

 

I also play a Midlander-Seeker mix, she's still young and perhaps getting polite sympathy but other Miqo'te seem to either think it a shame and judge her mother or be fine with it.

 

Lore wise, it can, will and has happened. I will say there are many females of all races upset they can't keep a handsome Nunh locked down, haha.

 

As for Lalafell, clearly they aren't child-like nor necessarily chaste according to the NPCs here in there. If fact, my retainer is a cute Lalafell that apparently has women to be rolling about with and seems irritated to be bothered.

[Brio]

I'm embarrassed to say that I too had the misconception that lalafell were a child-like baby race. =O I orginally rolled a Roe gladiator, but when I saw the opening cutscene in the Quicksand where a Lala (flanked by two bodyguards) shakes down a hyur for money he owes, I was immediately sold on their sheer manliness. Hell they can have mutton chops, don't know if you can get much more manly.  

 

Regarding the question the topic posed, I suppose it's really dependent on the characters mindset/upbringing. Brio is a very delusional young man, regarding various facets of his life (wealth, social status, upbringing, etc) Too make him an even more aberrant Lalafell I thought it would be funny if he was primarily attracted to the larger races (roe, elezan, highlander).

 

And if the Au Ra are any indication of how size differentials can be accomadated in romance/pairings, then I believe 'most' race combinations should be fine.

[E'irawen]

I can't say I've seen anyone OOCly protesting to it.

 

Lore wise though, it just kind of depends. ICly with characters, it depends, too. All about upbringing and background.

 

My characters personally do not give a flying turd. One is a midlander-miqo mix and, sometimes she gets a bit insecure about it yes, but I haven't had anyone in RP blast her for it, IC or OOC.

 

I also play a Midlander-Seeker mix, she's still young and perhaps getting polite sympathy but other Miqo'te seem to either think it a shame and judge her mother or be fine with it.

 

Lore wise, it can, will and has happened. I will say there are many females of all races upset they can't keep a handsome Nunh locked down, haha.

 

As for Lalafell, clearly they aren't child-like nor necessarily chaste according to the NPCs here in there. If fact, my retainer is a cute Lalafell that apparently has women to be rolling about with and seems irritated to be bothered.

 

Yeah, unfortunately I've seen it and heard of it happening. I've just been lucky so far, I guess. Though, the character I have that is of mixed race is fairly insecure about it. Thankfully her partner is a non-tribal Miqo himself and doesn't seem to care. ;-;

[K'nahli]

Maybe the way to approach it is to have it be more of a mental or spiritual attraction rather than a physical one? You mesh well with each other due to either having similar tastes or interests, or your differences complement each other, something like that.

 

 

This is exactly how I view any and all relationships with lalafels. Putting aside the fact that it's physically revolting to most all of us if it's anything besides perhaps a very, tender kiss, it is just a complete physical impossibility no matter how modestly-equipped the male is.

 

While I'm not asexual or anything in real life, I could certainly have a relationship with someone that was devoid of the far more intimate forms of contact if my bond with them was strong enough... and it's going to be strong enough if I would go as far as seeing them seriously - so I can easily level with this notion. Granted it's not the most ideal setup; in my book it's just one of things where they'd be thinking:

 

"It's not typical, but I could care less about that so long as I have her/him."

 

 

For anyone with opposing views... I don't mean to trample on your characters but I'm afraid that even when it comes to

Lalafel x Lalafel relationships then, for me, each and every one of you were born from a head of cabbage after your parents/guardians wished really, really hard while innocently praying beneath the stars ;w;

[Kinono]

For anyone with opposing views... I don't mean to trample on your characters but I'm afraid that even when it comes to

Lalafel x Lalafel relationships then, for me, each and every one of you were born from a head of cabbage after your parents/guardians wished really, really hard while innocently praying beneath the stars ;w;

 

*the person who plays the pregnant lala begins sobbing and walking off into the sunset*

[Zoetrooper]

For anyone with opposing views... I don't mean to trample on your characters but I'm afraid that even when it comes to

Lalafel x Lalafel relationships then, for me, each and every one of you were born from a head of cabbage after your parents/guardians wished really, really hard while innocently praying beneath the stars ;w;

 

*the person who plays the pregnant lala begins sobbing and walking off into the sunset*

 

 

It's ok! My girlfriend's Lalafel character is pregnant at the moment. Do not weep!

 

I understand there are a lot of strong feelings about Lalafel relationships. When I first started the game my girlfriend had already been playing a Lalafel for three months. With no desire to really RP a relationship with said character I made a male Elezen! Because reasons.

 

After playing for quite some time she brought up to me the possibility of a relationship between our two main characters. My first reaction was "Gods no. She looks like a baby and that's just weird."

 

In time I came to realize that not everyone perceive Lalafel the same way. She views them more like halflings or hobbits and this really reflects in the way she draws her character. Once I got comfortable with viewing them in such a way I was open to the possibility of a relationship.

 

In character my Elezen had never once considered her character to be a possibility. It turns out, through some very cute and amusing RP, he realized he had found his soul mate in a very tiny package indeed.

 

I guess he did fall in love with her emotionally first and foremost, while he considered her pretty he had not found her attractive until a little later. On the physical aspect he even turned himself into a Lalafel at one point to better be with her, which rather bothered her actually, but that's a whole other story.

 

And that would lead into her current predicament, being 8 months pregnant ( I would like to say this is 8 months real world time here people. :v No rapid ninja pregnancy here. )

 

Many people really like the relationship we've developed between our two mains.

 

I would say you can RP any type of relationship you want so long as it makes sense for your character to be in said relationship. If I hadn't have said yes to the possibility my Elezen wouldn't be holding a baby the size of the palm of his hand in a few weeks time. JUST IMAGINE HOW ADORABLE THAT IS? The world can't live without tiny babies.

[Tiergan]

I might've missed it somewhere in this thread, but is there any lore in game on folks looking down upon Seeker/Keeper mixes?

 

I want to RP it SO BAD, but I didn't want to do it without sorting out whether it's actually a thing or not first.

[Kinono]

I think the only thing stopping them would be ingrained culture (assuming a tribal lifestyle) and sleeping schedules (assuming they are slaves to their biology). Other than that no issues!