PVE Nubcakes: Hardcore RP'er Disclaimers Will Set You Free

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Random thought of the day:

 

Hardcore RP'er Disclaimers > PVE Nubcakes:

 

PVE "nubcakes" saturate duty-finder groups and PUGs.  This is not a bad thing and is a simple fact of life.  There is nothing wrong with being a PVE nubcake, which is usually defined by a mixture of being under-geared, inexperienced, and not motivated to "pwn" at PVE content. 

 

Most PVEnubcakes are off-tanks (hi), random DPS classes (especially dragoons), and a motley collection of MSQ-grinders (hi, again).  I'm a proud PVE nubcake, as are many RP'ers who frequent these forums.  

 

Unfortunately, being a PVE nubcake can be upsetting at times.  Sometimes PUG-mates become frustrated at PVE nubcakes for a variety of reasons.  There is, however, a delightful thing PVE nubcakes who RP can do to protect against substantial, unreasonable prejudice: use a hardcore RP'er disclaimer.  That's right.  Next time you're slugging through Titan HM, give those PUG-mates an express disclaimer of how amazing you are: 

 

"...GREETINGS!  I am a PVE nubcake because I am a slave to the hardcore, amazing roleplay on [[sERVER]].  I'm grinding through this PVE nonsense for shiny new RP armors, lulz." 

 

Even professional poopsockers will be amused and forgive your sins, even after you lose aggro, let both tanks die, alt-tab because your dog jumped across the desk, blow a LB, and/or have to AFK (again) for another beer.  The hardcore RP'er disclaimer, when used effectively, will even earn commendations and might refer you to fellow RP'ers back on your native server (hopefully Balmung). Give it a try sometime.  The results are amazing.

[Chris Ganale]

I dunno, there's a lot of Stop Having Fun, Guys asshats that populate the servers. Such a thing may just exacerbate their irritation.

[allgivenover]

I can't tell if this post is serious or not.

[Caspar]

But TitanHM is easy...

 

In all seriousness, if someone is rude to me in instance, I usually just ignore them, or take their advice. I like to RP, but this is also a videogame and I always want to improve my play. Indeed, I feel it is rude of me not to do my best even for strangers.

[Jana]

I dunno if this is meant to be taken seriously or not, but I do resent the assumption cross server that Balmung Babbies can't pull their weight.

[Pepe]

Random thought of the day:

 

Hardcore RP'er Disclaimers > PVE Nubcakes:

 

PVE "nubcakes" saturate duty-finder groups and PUGs.  This is not a bad thing and is a simple fact of life.  There is nothing wrong with being a PVE nubcake, which is usually defined by a mixture of being under-geared, inexperienced, and not motivated to "pwn" at PVE content. 

 

Most PVEnubcakes are off-tanks (hi), random DPS classes (especially dragoons), and a motley collection of MSQ-grinders (hi, again).  I'm a proud PVE nubcake, as are many RP'ers who frequent these forums.  

 

Unfortunately, being a PVE nubcake can be upsetting at times.  Sometimes PUG-mates become frustrated at PVE nubcakes for a variety of reasons.  There is, however, a delightful thing PVE nubcakes who RP can do to protect against substantial, unreasonable prejudice: use a hardcore RP'er disclaimer.  That's right.  Next time you're slugging through Titan HM, give those PUG-mates an express disclaimer of how amazing you are: 

 

"...GREETINGS!  I am a PVE nubcake because I am a slave to the hardcore, amazing roleplay on [[sERVER]].  I'm grinding through this PVE nonsense for shiny new RP armors, lulz." 

 

Even professional poopsockers will be amused and forgive your sins, even after you lose aggro, let both tanks die, alt-tab because your dog jumped across the desk, blow a LB, and/or have to AFK (again) for another beer.  The hardcore RP'er disclaimer, when used effectively, will even earn commendations and might refer you to fellow RP'ers back on your native server (hopefully Balmung). Give it a try sometime.  The results are amazing.

Jesus Christ

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Life is a beautiful mystery, so I'll allow the issue of whether the original post is serious to remain unsettled. 

 

I will, however, confess that several RP'ers have used similar Hardcore RP'er disclaimers to positive effects in PUGs before, myself included.  It usually elicits entertaining responses and is really effective at controlling expectations.

[Liebestraum]

Serious or not, this made me smile

[Gone.]

I am so confused.

[Sylentmana]

I don't know what a poopsocker is, but I do know that it's now one of my favorite words.

[Nebbs]

Well first you would need to rewite that statement in unintellagant l337 speak.

 

Even then it will likely invite ridicule and a kick.

 

Best advice I have is find a pet tank and pamper their ego, that way they can run the content with you, provide insta-tagging and control the pulls to make you look good.

 

Stop accepting nub status, pamper a tank today.

[Sylentmana]

Well first you would need to rewite that statement in unintellagant l337 speak.

 

Even then it will likely invite ridicule and a kick.

 

Best advice I have is find a pet tank and pamper their ego, that way they can run the content with you, provide insta-tagging and control the pulls to make you look good.

 

Stop accepting nub status, pamper a tank today.

 

Oh god, as if tanks need even bigger egos than they already have.

[Miko Shiroi]

From my own personal experience, those types of players that rant and rave if you wipe or mess up (even once!) can't really be satisfied no matter what. They seem to come into the game in a piss-poor mood, just looking for someone as a scapegoat to take their frustrations out on. So I feel that, even by saying something like that, the typical unhappy player will still behave the same (or even be more irritable).

 

For example, my girlfriend and I were in a dungeon recently (she was a NIN and I was an AST) and we came across this kind of person. They ended up complaining throughout the entire dungeon because she wasn't using one (ONE!) move. It got to the point where they said "This is probably the worst dungeon experience I've ever had in FFXIV. You might want to try and be less of a burden to players and humanity in general."

 

So, whether this topic is to be taken seriously or not, I'm kinda surprised that you've apparently had success with this method. But power to you! I wish it worked for me, as I play on a laptop and die a lot in AoE-heavy battles.

[Berrod Armstrong]

I just say hi and start wrecking. If they complain I can't hear them over the sound of MY MEDITATION SPAM.

[Kellach Woods]

or instead you could just perform decently?

[Warren Castille]

Being undergeared isn't a sin. Being willfully ignorant of your responsibility to your party is.

[Caspar]

I feel like even the gear excuse is getting worn out too.

I think it was a while ago, and I cannot remember specifics, but a War main who raids with me said that even at below max level, like 50-40, a tank should be able to maintain hate on a single target over any DPS in the game just by doing aggro combos. "You're too overgeared!" is just something I hear a lot that is in practice simply not true. Unsurprisingly, when I started to lvl my Balmung character, the same instances of me stealing hate on single targets from tanks happened, even with terrible gear. It's tougher to maintain aggro in AoE, but even that can be compensated for with additional uses of Overpower/Flash/Circle of Scorn.

 

But really that doesn't matter too much. I think what matters is people being willing to take responsibility for their role in the party and do their best to learn to play their class properly.

[Arcian]

I just say hi and start wrecking. If they complain I can't hear them over the sound of MY MEDITATION SPAM.

 

That's pretty much my stance on it.

 

I'm competent at what I do as a DPS, so I see no reason to offer a disclaimer when I go to punch the hell out of things.

 

My adventures in tanking are another story; since I'm still new to it (half a level to go to PLD), I'll just offer a quick, "Hey all, just letting you know I haven't tanked this before. Please bear with me," and thank them for doing so at the end of the instance if they stick around. New tanks can cause some (or a lot of) frustration, so I figure it's only polite.

 

What Warren said also rings true, though. Being a liability to your party makes things harder for everyone.

[Dravus]

If anything, role-players should be able to pull their own weight in PvE content. I'd worry if a role-player was so focused on role-play that they never learned to play the game itself properly because...that's not really an excuse, it's just a matter of being selfish. It also reflects badly on role-players as a whole when a select few try to blame their hobby as the reason for poor performance.

 

If someone's genuinely struggling or new then that's a different story, but if they're aware that they're not going to perform well then it's their responsibility to let the rest of the group know...or do research prior to specific fights. Claiming that it's because they're a role-player is just silly. You can be an enthusiastic role-player and still succeed at PvE/PvP content.

[Imo]

Being a roleplayer is not an excuse to suck at the game. It's really not that hard to be at least passably competent. Also, most people I know who are very good at roleplaying are also very good at PVE, and I doubt it's a coincidence.

[Flickering Ember]

I'm not that great of a player but I don't see the need to provide a disclaimer or make excuses for it. There are many non-RPers who are not skilled either.

[Oli!]

I don't really see why people are taking this post seriously.

 

If it were meant to be taken seriously, it would be written differently.

[Steel Wolf]

I am eager to read the results of this Poe's Law Litmus Test.

[LiadansWhisper]

Wouldn't it just be easier to not stand in the fire, not ignore adds, and heal your balls off? 

[Dat Oni]

Anybody who opens with a disclaimer gets on my good side, because they're willingly opening themselves up to criticism and care enough to let me know of their disadvantages. 

 

If I'm tanking, you have no idea how helpful this can be, as I immediately begin to get an idea of who is going to cause me issues this entire instance. 

 

Just know it is not a barrier against critiques against your play style; if you keep ripping aggro off me by attacking other targets or aoeing as I try to regain aggro when another mob catches wind of us (this happens a lot in Stone Vigil), you're gonna hear about it.