Warren Castille Posted September 22, 2015 Share #126 Posted September 22, 2015 The fact that OP isn't acknowledging anyone trying to give advice and instead is focusing on lolspeaking at critics shows exactly what's going on here. 3 Link to comment
Melodia Posted September 22, 2015 Share #127 Posted September 22, 2015 The fact that OP isn't acknowledging anyone trying to give advice and instead is focusing on lolspeaking at critics shows exactly what's going on here. Agreed. It's one snappy comeback after another despite thoughtful responses. This one's just fishing I think... Link to comment
Kage Posted September 22, 2015 Share #128 Posted September 22, 2015 im still gonna be a vamp just wanted feedback on possible origin stories for how they would come about and i got some pretty good tidbits. You mean they ignored it? I mean, if you want an acknowledgement of "Oh this sounds interesting I might work this in," go ahead and ask. Almost half this thread has been hostile towards the OP's desire to RP a "vamp" or OP's equally hostile reactions in response. People give hostile reactions (Calling this a troll thread, calling it a train wreck, etc) and you don't think someone is not going to react to that? Everyone the OP has responded to in a negative way has said in the most simplest of terms: "this is impossible" "you can't RP it that way, it's too powerful, there's no weaknesses" and "this is not the vampire as I like it". Link to comment
Warren Castille Posted September 22, 2015 Share #129 Posted September 22, 2015 You mean they ignored it? I mean, if you want an acknowledgement of "Oh this sounds interesting I might work this in," go ahead and ask. Almost half this thread has been hostile towards the OP's desire to RP a "vamp" or OP's equally hostile reactions in response. People give hostile reactions (Calling this a troll thread, calling it a train wreck, etc) and you don't think someone is not going to react to that? Everyone the OP has responded to in a negative way has said in the most simplest of terms: "this is impossible" "you can't RP it that way, it's too powerful, there's no weaknesses" and "this is not the vampire as I like it". That's simple, then. The feedback for his stated story he appears to be sticking to is this: You can't subjugate an elemental to become a vampire, no, that's stupid and wrong. OP just refuses to hear it. He's looking for reinforcement or acceptance, not criticism, not feedback. If you only want to be told "Yes, that works just fine, good job sport" you're not interested in discussion or change. 1 Link to comment
Ignacius Posted September 22, 2015 Share #130 Posted September 22, 2015 The easiest way to put this is that there appear to be symbiotic relationships where beings consume aether from other beings, particularly primals, and that's the closest that FFXIV gets to a "vampire." However, this aether is also easily drawn from crystals. Final Fantasy as a whole has some other games with canon vampires (the Marquis Elmdor in Tactics being the first to spring to mind), so if they were going to have blood-sucking vampires in the game, they'd be there. It's possible they exist and haven't been introduced, but they are presently not part of the canon. You'd be on your own and working on a person-to-person basis. Link to comment
-no longer matters- Posted September 22, 2015 Share #131 Posted September 22, 2015 Look here's how I see it, To the OP do as much research on the Hakkou Manor quest that you can. That's the closest we have. Everyone else.. IF YOU DON'T LIKE WHAT THEY ARE RPING DON'T RP WITH THEM. You don't have to be jerks about it. FFS. Link to comment
That Guy Posted September 22, 2015 Share #132 Posted September 22, 2015 Is this a troll thread? Entirely possible. However that doesn't negate the fact that a question was asked and that question might be shared by others. RPers can be an introverted lot so I would not be surprised if lurkers outnumber the outspoken. For those who might be reading this thread in hopes of an answer I will TRY to give you the best one that makes sense to, at least, me personally. Let's be real for a moment here: there's a pretty big stigma on vampires thanks to twilight and a number of other twists on the vampire dogma. So you have that stacked against you /including/ the simple fact that Vampires are not in game lore. True we have vampiric plants but remember this is a Japanese game so translation is a thing. Besides that rather clever point I'm afraid you don't have a leg to stand on lore wise. However that is clearly not the question here. The thread asked how it /could/ be made to work without breaking the lore too obviously. This isn't a new concept. People break lore all the time so they can shoehorn in their favorite kinds of rp.. Allagan robots, for example, are quickly becoming popular. Thats basically this question except, instead of vampires it's: how do I rp a robot? Not my cup of tea personally but hey, you do you boo. Anyway from the sounds of it you don't even want to rp a vampire. You just want to drink blood, be sexy, and impress that dude who rps a dentist. So I would personally suggest that first: drop the name. Just drop it. People will immediately shut down at the word 'vampire.' If you Have to use it be careful who you use it with. Second: voidsent. I cannot tell you how many people rp voidsent or being possessed by one or SOMETHING. So just do that except say your possession forces you to drink blood and gives you dark powers or something. I'd be amazed if someone isn't already doing this. They just have the sense not to say 'vampire' in a roomful of people suffering from twilight ptsd lol. That all said, you're still being lore breaky. However at least now it wouldn't be so painfully obvious. Even the most crazy rp needs to be lubed up with /some/ lore before you shove it down another person's throat! 1 Link to comment
Val Posted September 22, 2015 Share #133 Posted September 22, 2015 The easiest way to put this is that there appear to be symbiotic relationships where beings consume aether from other beings, particularly primals, and that's the closest that FFXIV gets to a "vampire." However, this aether is also easily drawn from crystals. Final Fantasy as a whole has some other games with canon vampires (the Marquis Elmdor in Tactics being the first to spring to mind), so if they were going to have blood-sucking vampires in the game, they'd be there. It's possible they exist and haven't been introduced, but they are presently not part of the canon. You'd be on your own and working on a person-to-person basis. Marquis was never once identified as a vampire. His class is just a blatant copy of Samurai and he received his powers through possession of the Lucavi. He has vampire-like qualities/looks, but he isn't one. Link to comment
That Guy Posted September 22, 2015 Share #134 Posted September 22, 2015 Oh for the love of...I will try to delete the double post when I get home. But on another note: WEAKNESSES. Do NOT make yourself immortal unless you have some serious weaknesses to go with it. Like..I can trap you in a butterfly net level weakness. Link to comment
Ignacius Posted September 22, 2015 Share #135 Posted September 22, 2015 The easiest way to put this is that there appear to be symbiotic relationships where beings consume aether from other beings, particularly primals, and that's the closest that FFXIV gets to a "vampire." However, this aether is also easily drawn from crystals. Final Fantasy as a whole has some other games with canon vampires (the Marquis Elmdor in Tactics being the first to spring to mind), so if they were going to have blood-sucking vampires in the game, they'd be there. It's possible they exist and haven't been introduced, but they are presently not part of the canon. You'd be on your own and working on a person-to-person basis. Marquis was never once identified as a vampire. His class is just a blatant copy of Samurai and he received his powers through possession of the Lucavi. He has vampire-like qualities/looks, but he isn't one. He inflicted the status effect "Vampire", which could then be spread by that player to other players through attacks. He isn't called a vampire, but those he infected certainly were. Link to comment
Sounsyy Posted September 22, 2015 Share #136 Posted September 22, 2015 ...I mean... very technically, vampirism does exist as canon in FFXIV's lore... But that's all I'm gonna say on the matter. Please continue this 130 page whateveryouwannacallit. A pungent spice used to flavor many different varieties of dishes. It is also thought to ward off vampiric bats, but there is no evidence to substantiate that claim. Despite the fear-inducing moniker' date=' this flying cephalopod neither sups on blood nor transforms into a bat. Rumors that it does not cast a shadow are unfounded, and all manner of stakes, from oak, to iron, to granite, to cermet, have been found effective in impaling this rather peaceful creature of the clouds.[/quote'] Just as its name implies, the vampire lampern is indeed a sucker of blood, using its multiple rows of teeth to latch onto its prey, whether it be sea or land creature, and bore a hole from which to drink. The vampire bat Barbastelle has many epithets, the only remotely flattering one being "the laird of Blind Iron Mines." While cattle mutilations are hardly any one creature's domain, experts are united in the view that the infamous mass draining of the herd at Red Rooster Stead - the so called "Big Gulp" - is the work of Barbastelle. Wulgaru, the false tree. Not a few poachers have vanished after being bound overnight to these vampiric man-eaters by unsuspecting Wood Wailers. The Wulgaru is also drawn by noise and commotion, breaking its arboreal disguise to feast on the blood of its favorite prey: man. In other words, go quietly and fight stealthily, adventurer. If a tree comes alive in the forest, you're not likely to notice until too late. Link to comment
Warren Castille Posted September 22, 2015 Share #137 Posted September 22, 2015 lore There are trends in those snippets: A penchant for blood, and allusions to unsavory things. Nothing about superpowers given to mortals by ensnaring elementals and somehow becoming half-spirit. 1 Link to comment
Alothia Posted September 22, 2015 Share #138 Posted September 22, 2015 Oh for the love of...I will try to delete the double post when I get home. But on another note: WEAKNESSES. Do NOT make yourself immortal unless you have some serious weaknesses to go with it. Like..I can trap you in a butterfly net level weakness. I got your double post. No worries. Link to comment
Sounsyy Posted September 22, 2015 Share #139 Posted September 22, 2015 lore There are trends in those snippets: A penchant for blood, and allusions to unsavory things. Nothing about superpowers given to mortals by ensnaring elementals and somehow becoming half-spirit. I 100% agree. There is nothing about super powers. My response was related to earlier comments in the thread suggesting that vampires do not exist in the canon. And... they do... actually. Whether they're just myth, superstition, or real, I don't know, but they are, again, very technically there. So, I was disproving earlier comments such as these: There's no real lore-friendly way to RP vampires because there's no such thing as vampires in XIV. There is nothing that explicitly says that they exist, therefore they do not. So far, we've seen no vampires in game nor even any reference to them afaik. Vampires absolutely do not exist in XIV lore. And that's.. pretty much it. Link to comment
Warren Castille Posted September 22, 2015 Share #140 Posted September 22, 2015 lore There are trends in those snippets: A penchant for blood, and allusions to unsavory things. Nothing about superpowers given to mortals by ensnaring elementals and somehow becoming half-spirit. Quoting myself so as to not spam post. AND ANOTHER THING. OP doesn't want to play a vampire. He wants to play his vampire. 1 Link to comment
Larson Posted September 22, 2015 Share #141 Posted September 22, 2015 Thread title: " Plausibility of Vampire RP " Which would designate the subject of the thread to the plausibility of vampire RP. Definition: Plausible [plaw-zuh-buh l] adjective Having an appearance of truth or reason; seemingly worthy of approval or acceptance; credible; believable. Translation OP has titled the thread in a way that would lead any who visit it to assume that the subject at hand is whether or not Vampire RP is acceptable, credible, and believable in Final Fantasy 14. There are no context clues that suggest otherwise in the post. Answer It is not. Conclusion You get the answers you ask for. If the point of the thread is not what you stated it to be, then either change the title to adequately suit your actual request, or accept the feedback of the community that is answering you honestly. We want to help you succeed and have a positive RP experience. [Edited to add on to my points] 1 Link to comment
Warren Castille Posted September 22, 2015 Share #142 Posted September 22, 2015 Thread title: " Plausibility of Vampire RP " Which would designate the subject of the thread to the plausibility of vampire RP. Definition: Plausible [plaw-zuh-buh l] adjective Having an appearance of truth or reason; seemingly worthy of approval or acceptance; credible; believable. Translation OP has titled the thread in a way that would lead any who visit it to assume that the subject at hand is whether or not Vampire RP is acceptable, credible, and believable in Final Fantasy 14. Answer It is not. Conclusion You get the answers you ask for. But it is, just not in the way initially presented. A wretched, sub-human creature that subsists on the essence of innocent beings falls right in line with what we currently know of Voidsent. As plenty of others mentioned, Haukke Manor visits the concept slightly. The similarities to Elizabeth Bathory are not to be dismissed, and it isn't like she caused myths or legends or anything with her actions. 1 Link to comment
Val Posted September 22, 2015 Share #143 Posted September 22, 2015 The easiest way to put this is that there appear to be symbiotic relationships where beings consume aether from other beings, particularly primals, and that's the closest that FFXIV gets to a "vampire." However, this aether is also easily drawn from crystals. Final Fantasy as a whole has some other games with canon vampires (the Marquis Elmdor in Tactics being the first to spring to mind), so if they were going to have blood-sucking vampires in the game, they'd be there. It's possible they exist and haven't been introduced, but they are presently not part of the canon. You'd be on your own and working on a person-to-person basis. Marquis was never once identified as a vampire. His class is just a blatant copy of Samurai and he received his powers through possession of the Lucavi. He has vampire-like qualities/looks, but he isn't one. He inflicted the status effect "Vampire", which could then be spread by that player to other players through attacks. He isn't called a vampire, but those he infected certainly were. Oh yeah! I totally forgot about that status effect. I always assumed it was just a general name because he turned them into the living dead, but they could think/move themselves. Link to comment
Kage Posted September 22, 2015 Share #144 Posted September 22, 2015 lore There are trends in those snippets: A penchant for blood, and allusions to unsavory things. Nothing about superpowers given to mortals by ensnaring elementals and somehow becoming half-spirit. Quoting myself so as to not spam post. AND ANOTHER THING. OP doesn't want to play a vampire. He wants to play his vampire. Explain what's bad about this or notable about this? Since there is no "a vampire" and not all vampire mythos is the same, whose vampire is it supposed to be? Yours? Mine? Link to comment
Ignacius Posted September 22, 2015 Share #145 Posted September 22, 2015 lore There are trends in those snippets: A penchant for blood, and allusions to unsavory things. Nothing about superpowers given to mortals by ensnaring elementals and somehow becoming half-spirit. Yes, they're referring to vampirism the way vampire bats are referred to. Just as things which consume blood. Why walking trees would drink blood is a question best posed to Square, but none of the FFXIV lore relates to stealing any kind of life force for strength except the Eikons. And even the primals seem to get just as much life and power from crystals as they do from other beings. Link to comment
Warren Castille Posted September 22, 2015 Share #146 Posted September 22, 2015 Explain what's bad about this or notable about this? Since there is no "a vampire" and not all vampire mythos is the same, whose vampire is it supposed to be? Yours? Mine? Blissfully ignoring lore (and the allowances you could use to justify these things) to shoehorn in a particular vision? There's nothing wrong with playing a vampire. Look forward to my new werewolf alt, who gained his powers when a unicorn was killed by a fragment of Dalamud and he rises to take vengeance on the Duskwights for some reason. 2 Link to comment
Nirri Posted September 22, 2015 Share #147 Posted September 22, 2015 Gonna be honest here I'm thinking ESO would be more your cup of tea, Celestial Mage. Atleast that game has direct lore on werewolves & vampires and what not and you won't be met with alot of 'EGH not this...' type of responses as you will here. That being said this thread gave me a few good laughs and made my day a little bit better. But as other people gave you suggestions to make your character more 'believable' in origins, I wish you the best of luck in whatever you decide. Link to comment
Sylentmana Posted September 22, 2015 Share #148 Posted September 22, 2015 Thread title: " Plausibility of Vampire RP " Which would designate the subject of the thread to the plausibility of vampire RP. Definition: Plausible [plaw-zuh-buh l] adjective Having an appearance of truth or reason; seemingly worthy of approval or acceptance; credible; believable. Translation OP has titled the thread in a way that would lead any who visit it to assume that the subject at hand is whether or not Vampire RP is acceptable, credible, and believable in Final Fantasy 14. Answer It is not. Conclusion You get the answers you ask for. But it is, just not in the way initially presented. A wretched, sub-human creature that subsists on the essence of innocent beings falls right in line with what we currently know of Voidsent. As plenty of others mentioned, Haukke Manor visits the concept slightly. The similarities to Elizabeth Bathory are not to be dismissed, and it isn't like she caused myths or legends or anything with her actions. The most interesting part about that is despite the allusions to vampires, she was also accused of being a werewolf. Link to comment
Kage Posted September 22, 2015 Share #149 Posted September 22, 2015 Explain what's bad about this or notable about this? Since there is no "a vampire" and not all vampire mythos is the same, whose vampire is it supposed to be? Yours? Mine? Blissfully ignoring lore (and the allowances you could use to justify these things) to shoehorn in a particular vision? There's nothing wrong with playing a vampire. Look forward to my new werewolf alt, who gained his powers when a unicorn was killed by a fragment of Dalamud and he rises to take vengeance on the Duskwights for some reason. Sure! As many have said, feel free to do it. Whether or not you are happy with the results of said roleplay is an entirely different matter. However, I asked you for why it is "his" vampire that is a problem and not say, "yours" or "a vampire"? I am reminding you again, Quoting myself so as to not spam post. AND ANOTHER THING. OP doesn't want to play a vampire. He wants to play his vampire. Is it because -for only the first three pages- the topic was about elementals in his vampiric origins -idea-? After that, I have seen nothing else indicating if he has kept to it as the rest of the thread was pretty much a "this is a trollfest I want popcorn". Link to comment
Warren Castille Posted September 22, 2015 Share #150 Posted September 22, 2015 Explain what's bad about this or notable about this? Since there is no "a vampire" and not all vampire mythos is the same, whose vampire is it supposed to be? Yours? Mine? Blissfully ignoring lore (and the allowances you could use to justify these things) to shoehorn in a particular vision? There's nothing wrong with playing a vampire. Look forward to my new werewolf alt, who gained his powers when a unicorn was killed by a fragment of Dalamud and he rises to take vengeance on the Duskwights for some reason. Sure! As many have said, feel free to do it. Whether or not you are happy with the results of said roleplay is an entirely different matter. However, I asked you for why it is "his" vampire that is a problem and not say, "yours" or "a vampire"? I am reminding you again, Quoting myself so as to not spam post. AND ANOTHER THING. OP doesn't want to play a vampire. He wants to play his vampire. Is it because -for only the first three pages- the topic was about elementals in his vampiric origins -idea-? After that, I have seen nothing else indicating if he has kept to it as the rest of the thread was pretty much a "this is a trollfest I want popcorn". Fair. My point was just that there exist elements he could borrow to make his idea work, and he's more interested in arguing with people than listening to the sound advice. Nothing inherently wrong with it, but it won't find purchase inside of a greater community outside of the people he knows will accept such a vastly conflicting concept. Link to comment
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