Rhaq'ir Posted February 11, 2015 Share #1 Posted February 11, 2015 Hello all. How do you go about married in the game, without using the eternal bond? No specifik race, in mind. I have done som research, but i can't seem to find any lore related, regarding this subject. Just that people are spouses, and that's it. Link to comment
Warren Castille Posted February 11, 2015 Share #2 Posted February 11, 2015 Hello all. How do you go about married in the game, without using the eternal bond? No specifik race, in mind. I have done som research, but i can't seem to find any lore related, regarding this subject. Just that people are spouses, and that's it. There isn't any, to my knowledge. The Eternal Bond ceremony does make brief mention that they do not have any authority on the matter (the moogle does, anyway. kisswedding bestwedding) but consider you joined anyway. Beyond that, I imagine it's similar to just declaring your spouse is your spouse, and people having to accept that. Link to comment
Kinono Posted February 11, 2015 Share #3 Posted February 11, 2015 As far as I can tell, there's not much info on marriage weddings, but they'd seem common and easy enough. According to one unnamed NPC, same-sex marriage is fine, and then you have the whole Tam-Tara Deepcroft story. As for actual RPing, it's enough to just say you're married, even though I have that one friend who refuses to acknowledge it and just calls me "bonded" every time I RP with her. *grumble grumble* Edit:forgot about that Hildy arc, but again... scant info. Link to comment
Nebbs Posted February 11, 2015 Share #4 Posted February 11, 2015 You can just make up your own version. Before the ceremony several people ran wedding type events. Also within the ceremony itself you can customise it a little, maybe check some videos of the different options to see if one of them would suit. Link to comment
Branson Thorne Posted February 11, 2015 Share #5 Posted February 11, 2015 I was under the impression that eternal bonding, was in fact marriage? Link to comment
Warren Castille Posted February 11, 2015 Share #6 Posted February 11, 2015 I was under the impression that eternal bonding, was in fact marriage? Can't attest to the not-moogle weddings, but the mog specifically states that he has no authority to marry anyone. Link to comment
Kinono Posted February 11, 2015 Share #7 Posted February 11, 2015 I was under the impression that eternal bonding, was in fact marriage? Can't attest to the not-moogle weddings, but the mog specifically states that he has no authority to marry anyone. It makes it ironic/sad that the most romantic wedding ceremony choice is bookended by that little line of dialogue. Personally, I just choose to ignore it. Link to comment
Branson Thorne Posted February 11, 2015 Share #8 Posted February 11, 2015 I was under the impression that eternal bonding, was in fact marriage? Can't attest to the not-moogle weddings, but the mog specifically states that he has no authority to marry anyone. Ahh I never did read up on the lore, since A'mon isn't really quiet the bonding/marriage type of character (not yet anyway) Just thought it was implied! Man I'm learning more about the game thru the forums here then I do actually in the game! Link to comment
Warren Castille Posted February 11, 2015 Share #9 Posted February 11, 2015 I was under the impression that eternal bonding, was in fact marriage? Can't attest to the not-moogle weddings, but the mog specifically states that he has no authority to marry anyone. Ahh I never did read up on the lore, since A'mon isn't really quiet the bonding/marriage type of character (not yet anyway) Just thought it was implied! Man I'm learning more about the game thru the forums here then I do actually in the game! We're sort of the filtered/condensed version of all of the game text. Combined to form Legion a community, we are many! If I had to bet, it's due to Japanese social norms being a bit... different... from what people expect in 2015. To wit, the moogle's dialogue was something akin to "While I have no real power vested in me, that doesn't mean we don't believe that you two are a pair!" or something similar. Link to comment
Gone. Posted February 11, 2015 Share #10 Posted February 11, 2015 I was under the impression that eternal bonding, was in fact marriage? It is, just the official term of Eorzea. Hence why a lot of times I just use the word 'marriage' as opposed to going through some long-winded method of working 'eternal bond' into my dialog. Link to comment
Warren Castille Posted February 11, 2015 Share #11 Posted February 11, 2015 I was under the impression that eternal bonding, was in fact marriage? It is, just the official term of Eorzea. Hence why a lot of times I just use the term 'marriage' as opposed to going through some long-winded method of working 'eternal bond' into my dialog. ...except it isn't, as I mentioned regarding the moogle wedding. He explicitly states the ceremony isn't official. Source: I got married by a moogle Link to comment
Gone. Posted February 11, 2015 Share #12 Posted February 11, 2015 I said 'official term', as in this what they refer to it as... ? Link to comment
Warren Castille Posted February 11, 2015 Share #13 Posted February 11, 2015 I said 'official term', as in this what they refer to it as... ? ...so you did. Whoops. I don't know if that's the official term, though. If it was, wouldn't there be no need to state the ceremony doesn't dictate anything? They made a big deal in-game about the ceremony being available, does that mean people weren't able to be married prior to that? Beyond that, it's in the Shroud. What about people in Limsa? Farmers in Ul'dah? Poor folk unable to make the trek? I don't have hard lore for it, but it's my opinion one can be wed without Bonding, and one can Bond without being wed. Link to comment
Desu Nee Posted February 11, 2015 Share #14 Posted February 11, 2015 IMO, the ceremony in the game is akin to a religious marriage. It's marriage, yes, but it's more about the ceremony than something truly set on the papers, whereas the civil wedding is that. AKA, the Bonding is "just" that, a ceremony to make the moment even more special, and have the blessing of the twelve of something Disclaimer: I haven't done the marriage and I doubt I ever will, tfw no qt 3.14 1 Link to comment
Gone. Posted February 11, 2015 Share #15 Posted February 11, 2015 I'm sure the Eternal Bond ceremony can happen anywhere, we're just limited by game mechanics to the location in the Twelveswood (which could always change in the future, who knows). The 'ordained' Moogle is more or less the comedy option and let's be honest; no one would allow Moogles to officially wed couples for obvious reasons, hence the smartass comment he makes. What a marriage means is pretty subjective, anyway, you know? Link to comment
Caspar Posted February 11, 2015 Share #16 Posted February 11, 2015 As far as I can tell, there's not much info on marriage weddings, but they'd seem common and easy enough. According to one unnamed NPC, same-sex marriage is fine, and then you have the whole Tam-Tara Deepcroft story. As for actual RPing, it's enough to just say you're married, even though I have that one friend who refuses to acknowledge it and just calls me "bonded" every time I RP with her. *grumble grumble* Edit:forgot about that Hildy arc, but again... scant info. Whoah there. Is that some friction? Just kidding of course. I do wonder though, why we can't use that fairy wing enchantment from the Moogle ceremony in other situations, like to fly around. What gives? Link to comment
Seriphyn Posted February 11, 2015 Share #17 Posted February 11, 2015 I would think each citystate has its own marriage tradition separate from the eternal bonding thing. Maybe Ul'dah has pre-islam arabian traditions for it. Link to comment
Gegenji Posted February 11, 2015 Share #18 Posted February 11, 2015 KAKaJE4gjYg IT KEEPS HAPPENING. 1 Link to comment
Lost River Posted February 11, 2015 Share #19 Posted February 11, 2015 Well, the only way to settle this is to have Lost River get married. I need to find out myself! Link to comment
Erik Mynhier Posted February 11, 2015 Share #20 Posted February 11, 2015 I preformed a number of marriages before EB ruined my fun. I miss doing weddings. Link to comment
Kinono Posted February 12, 2015 Share #21 Posted February 12, 2015 Eternal Bonding isn't marriage and isn't the "official" term for it. They go through great length, both in the game dialogue and through the news related to the feature to state that marriage and Eternal Bonding, while similar, are not synonymous. Both marriage and bonding exist, and they are two separate, yet similar, things. Bonding can have a lot of different meanings, and two people can do it in Eorzea for a lot of different reasons. It is implied to be more for adventurers than Eorzeans proper. The one constant between all these reasons is that bonding is VERY religiously based in the 12 as we know them. As stated earlier in the thread, a bonding ceremony is more about the celebration of a bond, instead of being a legal agreement besides. Bonding, while still a legal agreement (as evidenced by the oh-so-romantic "look at this paper we signed" ceremony), is not as intense. You do not share property when bonded, and are not seen as a single entity within any governing body. Note that in-game dialogue never uses "bonding" and "marriage" synonymously, though there is a singular interview where Yoshida (I believe) responds to a question about marriage by beginning "Marriage, or eternal bonding..." Marriage is exactly what it sounds like, and is closer to our real world understanding of it. You share property when married, including as evidenced by "the Business of Betrothal" arc in the Hildibrand quests. Marriages are (seemingly especially in Ul'dah and lalafell culture) arranged and done for purely business and practical reasons. Note that as far as I can tell, no instance of marriage in the game has ever been used synonymously with "bonding." Can a character be both at the same time? Hard to say. As of yet, we only see players bonded and NPCs married, and we, as PCs, are kept separate from the "marriage" facet of society. Link to comment
Gone. Posted February 12, 2015 Share #22 Posted February 12, 2015 I'm not sure 'great length' is entirely accurate when it seems like there's no real consensus here and there's a definite lack of in-game dialog consistency on the subject. Think it all boils down to personal interpretation tbh as with most lore things. Link to comment
Kinono Posted February 12, 2015 Share #23 Posted February 12, 2015 I'm not sure 'great length' is entirely accurate when it seems like there's no real consensus here and there's a definite lack of in-game dialog consistency on the subject. Think it all boils down to personal interpretation tbh as with most lore things. It spawned a borderline meme of people shouting "It's not marriage" in shout chat... The producers were very emotional about pushing the distinction. Link to comment
Kestrael Posted February 12, 2015 Share #24 Posted February 12, 2015 Eternal Bonding isn't marriage and isn't the "official" term for it. They go through great length, both in the game dialogue and through the news related to the feature to state that marriage and Eternal Bonding, while similar, are not synonymous. Both marriage and bonding exist, and they are two separate, yet similar, things. Bonding can have a lot of different meanings, and two people can do it in Eorzea for a lot of different reasons. It is implied to be more for adventurers than Eorzeans proper. The one constant between all these reasons is that bonding is VERY religiously based in the 12 as we know them. As stated earlier in the thread, a bonding ceremony is more about the celebration of a bond, instead of being a legal agreement besides. Bonding, while still a legal agreement (as evidenced by the oh-so-romantic "look at this paper we signed" ceremony), is not as intense. You do not share property when bonded, and are not seen as a single entity within any governing body. Note that in-game dialogue never uses "bonding" and "marriage" synonymously, though there is a singular interview where Yoshida (I believe) responds to a question about marriage by beginning "Marriage, or eternal bonding..." Marriage is exactly what it sounds like, and is closer to our real world understanding of it. You share property when married, including as evidenced by "the Business of Betrothal" arc in the Hildibrand quests. Marriages are (seemingly especially in Ul'dah and lalafell culture) arranged and done for purely business and practical reasons. Note that as far as I can tell, no instance of marriage in the game has ever been used synonymously with "bonding." Can a character be both at the same time? Hard to say. As of yet, we only see players bonded and NPCs married, and we, as PCs, are kept separate from the "marriage" facet of society. Just pointing to the interview you mentioned: http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodestone/topics/detail/f5d2a51c83fa7e955b3c3583a5aa739e064b3ebe/ Q: I’m looking forward to the wedding system. Will it be part of Patch 2.4? A: The marriage system, or “Eternal Bonding,” is currently under development on a massive scale. Despite the resources we’re pouring into it, it’s been slow going because we’re setting it up as a reservation system where you pick a date and time to tie the knot. Right now we’re looking at a Patch 2.45 release. It’ll definitely be worth the wait, though─the system is going to be huge and very customizable. We should be able to give you a sneak peek of things like what kinds of dresses there will be fairly soon. Link to comment
Kinono Posted February 12, 2015 Share #25 Posted February 12, 2015 We are aiming for a 2.4 release of a system where the people living in Eorzea can pledge their love and/or friendship for each other with another player. And because you are pledging love and friendship we don't want there to be any barriers that prevent people of a certain age or race or gender from being able to pledge their love for one another. Going over old interviews, there seems to be a heavy emphasis from the producers also talking about bonding allowing a ceremony between characters "regardless of race, creed, or gender," implying that typical marriage would have some sort of restrictions based on nationality or race. Eternal bonding, in addition to allowing a ceremony between genders without restriction, bypasses other legal boundaries. People within Eorzea will be able to pledge their eternal love and or friendship in a ceremony of eternal bonding. And this will be open to people regardless of race, creed, and gender. Two players...if they want to be together, in Eorzea, they can—through this eternal bonding ceremony. We discussed it, and we realized: within Eorzea, why should there be restrictions on who pledges their love or friendship to each other? And so we decided to go this way. It feels like there's a lot going unsaid, of course, which means that yes, we as players and lore-hounds do have to make a few leaps in fantasy-judgement due to real-life standards. The implication being, as far as I can tell, eternal bonding is a way to proclaim love or strong friendship without jumping through the fiery, red-taped hoops of a wholly legal marriage. But if anyone has a different interpretation I'd be glad to hear it. Link to comment
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