The Vent Tent - Poor PuGs and Other Terrible Tales

[Gegenji]

I've... uh... I've done that. :blush:

 

I had a couple of RP ideas I just never followed up on. Chachan learning some Conjury from Xavarian, for example. I also had an idear for RP with Merri that we started talking about, tried to pick a day to get it rolling... and it never really happened. There was the initial probings by a guy who wanted to do something involving Mor Dhona that never got off the ground either.

 

I think the one I feel worst about was involving a new player... Littlekitten, I believe. Had transferred over and was apparently going to bring friends as well and wanted to get into the RP scene. I offered Chachan as someone to play with, but the only times we ever seemed to cross paths was when I was heading back to the Hourglass to log out and go to bed. I remember getting some depressing tells about how much trouble she was having getting her feet wet, too.

 

If you're still around, Little, I'm sorry I never managed to give you the help I promised. And I hope you found some fun folks to RP with.

 

... Man, I depressed myself quite a bit there.

[Edda]

Fucking Snowcloak man.

 

Like, just because I'm an i120 WHM doesn't mean you can you pull the adds up to the polar bear with a monk and a ninja in the party and expect me to be able to keep you alive after you run out of cooldowns. Mass trash pulls are a race against time, and with the wrong group comp... Sorry broski, it's not gonna work out. Someone has to die first - the adds, or you.

[Kage]

Fucking Snowcloak man.

 

Like, just because I'm an i120 WHM doesn't mean you can you pull the adds up to the polar bear with a monk and a ninja in the party and expect me to be able to keep you alive after you run out of cooldowns. Mass trash pulls are a race against time, and with the wrong group comp... Sorry broski, it's not gonna work out. Someone has to die first - the adds, or you.

 

Tanks. I know you see this lone i110+ black mage... but fuck if I can kill all the fuck on trash in one pull when the other dps is still at the begunning or is a monk. At least I can do well with a drg or something but why are you making me do all the damage in this race...

 

Also ask before you fuck in do those snowcloak pulls. Your i110 sch/whm. Especially that last fuck in room and you don't stun shit.

[Dimona]

Another thing I've seen once or twice is where a white mage will spam Holy and just... phase out and forget that they're supposed to be healing the tank too. I've seen that happen two or three times lately and my thinking is that it's great that they're helping with DPS but.. not at the cost of their primary function to the party! I know once he said something like, "I was about to use benediction but you died. lol" (yes the "lol" was there :roll: ) I'm usually pretty polite in DF/PF settings, but my thought was, "Yeah, whose fault was that??" :dodgy:

[Kage]

Time benediction better if that's what you're going to say.

 

I haven't had much experience with WHM at 50 but I imagine the pulls go somewhere like... Tank has hate. Cure 1. Regen. Cleric holy. Turn ofF stance. Cure 1/2 holy. Repeat from cleric holy until dead.

 

I have actually made a whm use benediction on me. One of the WHM I really admire. He's one of the main reasons t9 farms/clears for me go so smoothly. Oh did someone fuck up elementals and thunder? Only tank whm and blm? WE CAN RECOVER YIS. Third heavensfall? How? Whatever.

[Blue]

Another thing I've seen once or twice is where a white mage will spam Holy and just... phase out and forget that they're supposed to be healing the tank too. I've seen that happen two or three times lately and my thinking is that it's great that they're helping with DPS but.. not at the cost of their primary function to the party! I know once he said something like, "I was about to use benediction but you died. lol" (yes the "lol" was there :roll: ) I'm usually pretty polite in DF/PF settings, but my thought was, "Yeah, whose fault was that??" :dodgy:

 

I've had another excuse:

 

"Lol you are supposed to pop Hollowed Ground when I do that."

 

Oh you mean that thing still on cooldown from the previous big pull? <.<

[Kage]

Everyone is a special snowflake.

 

Healers less so.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Most of the time. I can't ad equate type while at this microscope what I want.

[Gegenji]

I know once he said something like, "I was about to use benediction but you died. lol"  (yes the "lol" was there  :roll: )

 

This may be a personal peeve, but I hate people who use texting-style shorthand in a serious context. I mean, if they're trying to say something quick in the heat of battle, that's fine (like "u need 2 move here!" if it's a fight someone's new to, though I've yet to see it in that context since most people just explain beforehand). But if we're standing around and you can't be assed to add the y and o to "you"? It bothers me.

 

The distaste is probably strengthened that it's always done by the problem folks. The know-it-alls who think they know more than you (see the healer who called me 'u noob tank' in the DD run I mentioned a few pages back), and the derps who aren't paying attention and are just trying to handwave away the blame ('lol soz').

 

It's a shorthand devised to pass along information quickly and under time constraints. If you're not under time constraints, don't use it in place of normal conversation. It looks terrible and I find myself thinking less of you on the onset. This is a more generalized rant, of course, but I see it in MMOs just as much as everywhere else.

 

... Um, I feel I should reiterate that I dislike it in serious contexts, though. I can't say I hate its use wholesale when I can see legitimate uses for it, and have used variations of it myself in playful situations. I often respond to my sister's /tells, for example, with a 'yhalothar.' It's not quite the same, but it's not too far off either.

 

(Also I love "wut." as an incredulous phrase.)

[Edda]

Time benediction better if that's what you're going to say.

 

I haven't had much experience with WHM at 50 but I imagine the pulls go somewhere like... Tank has hate. Cure 1. Regen. Cleric holy. Turn ofF stance. Cure 1/2 holy. Repeat from cleric holy until dead.

 P much this. Benediction is wholly unnecessary if your tank isn't trash. The delay IS annoying for Benediction, and I've caused wipes because of it before, but learning when to time it is key (shitter white mages need not apply).

 

For mass pulls, start off with divine seal, a Cure 2/Regen, and Eye for an Eye if you feel it's necessary. Cleric Stance, Holy THREE times, drop out of stance, heal the tank, repeat if necessary (it shouldn't be unless you're carrying two i90 DPS). So long as your tank isn't horribly under-geared, any WHM should be capable of at least this much.

 

I will say it loud and I will say it proud - If you do not contribute any DPS in any way, shape, or form as a healer, you are playing your class incorrectly.

[Nebbs]

Fucking Snowcloak man.

 

Like, just because I'm an i120 WHM doesn't mean you can you pull the adds up to the polar bear with a monk and a ninja in the party and expect me to be able to keep you alive after you run out of cooldowns. Mass trash pulls are a race against time, and with the wrong group comp... Sorry broski, it's not gonna work out. Someone has to die first - the adds, or you.

 

You know I prefer to pull all before the wolves, then all the wolves. Any more and you are trying your luck with a PuG.

 

And I use the same approach in other dungeons. Full pull it all really needs everyone present and in the right mix.

[Nebbs]

Anti-Vent!

 

While a switched on top gear pug is nice and rips through a dungeon.. Do you know what is nicer? A group where half the people are new to it and you go through steady and they learn and everyone has fun, and you chat and all say bye at the end.

[Gegenji]

I will say it loud and I will say it proud - If you do not contribute any DPS in any way, shape, or form as a healer, you are playing your class incorrectly.

 

I find it's even easier to get SOME DPS up as SCH than it is for WHM. Mostly because a one-two punch of Adlo and Stoneskin means you can at the very least drop a Swiftcast Shadow Flare and a Miasma II before the enemies eat through it and your tank actually starts to take damage.

 

Heck, with Aetherflow stacks, you can save a couple for a Lustrate or two before dropping out of Cleric Stance to do some normal healing. Plus, you have your Fairy throwing around Embraces like it ain't no thang.

[Edda]

I will say it loud and I will say it proud - If you do not contribute any DPS in any way, shape, or form as a healer, you are playing your class incorrectly.

 

I find it's even easier to get SOME DPS up as SCH than it is for WHM. Mostly because a one-two punch of Adlo and Stoneskin means you can at the very least drop a Swiftcast Shadow Flare and a Miasma II before the enemies eat through it and your tank actually starts to take damage.

 

Heck, with Aetherflow stacks, you can save a couple for a Lustrate or two before dropping out of Cleric Stance to do some normal healing. Plus, you have your Fairy throwing around Embraces like it ain't no thang.

Exactly. It's MUCH easier for SCH to throw up some DPS even with a weak tank, even if it's a but less burst-y than WHM. Having Stoneskin + Adlo on the tank before he pulls, Cleric Stance Swiftcast Shadowflare, Bio II-Miasma-Bio one add, Bane, Miasma II if you have the time, drop out of stance and heal. If your tank is geared, you shouldn't even need lustrates. At lower levels, Eos and Selene can solo heal all the dungeons before Brayflox (save for Qarn NM and to a lesser degree, Cutter's Cry), so there is no excuse to not be a full-time Cleric Stance Scholar in those dungeons. Whenever I see a low level SCH just standing around in a dungeon with their thumbs up their ass... my creys.

[Sounsyy]

Like, just because I'm an i120 WHM doesn't mean you can you pull the adds up to the polar bear with a monk and a ninja in the party and expect me to be able to keep you alive after you run out of cooldowns. Mass trash pulls are a race against time, and with the wrong group comp... Sorry broski, it's not gonna work out. Someone has to die first - the adds, or you.

 

Thissssssssss! If I don't think my party is equipped to handle big pulls, I'm not gonna big pull, stop asking! I feel like it's the tank's responsibility at the start of any dungeon to gauge your party if you want to big pull. If you're lacking mages or someone is lower IL, big pulling is probably not advisable...

 

I'd rather fight 3-6 mobs at a time than 9+ then wipe cuz DDs weren't equipped to take down that many mobs in a timely fashion. Especially in Qarn HM cuz those shortcuts...

 

EDIT:

I will say it loud and I will say it proud - If you do not contribute any DPS in any way, shape, or form as a healer, you are playing your class incorrectly.

 

Also this. I love you Edda. About half of your WHM spells are DPS spells and even more than that for SCH. So... if you're not using over half your arsenal... I consider that incredibly wasteful. And even as a DPS WAR, I don't take that much damage that you need to be full-time curebombing me. Help take down these mobs faster so you never have to Lustrate/Benebomb me.

 

Also, when I SCH dungeons, my honest goal is to out dps at least one of the DDs in my party. Not even ashamed.

[Aaron]

When NIN try to perfect dodge divebombs in T5.

 

Yes, you avoid damage.

 

No, you do not -not- get knocked backed.

 

No, you do not run back to the pit after getting knocked back (you avoid the damage, not the mechanic guys)

 

Yes, if you run back to the pit and before you get settled you get the dive icon, you have fucked over everyone and caused a wipe.

[Xiaoli Vorgan]

I am absolutely sick of people railing against PUGS. Yeah, OK, you might get a crappy PUG every now and then, but people are so focused on the negative they forget the good PUGS.

 

Even if you get a bad one, just let it slide. They're dogs! The fact that they can even play video games is AMAZING!

 

 

Most of my PUGS have been awesome. I know my class and I know it well. I however, don't like to see other people who might not know theirs as well or are new, getting ragged on by some little shtako who plays the game like its a career. I don't like to watch people arguing when we're all supposed to be having fun and working together.

 

My vent isn't even so much about this game as it is about gaming in MMORPGs in todays world. I started out playing when things were still about meeting new people, adventuring together, acquiring that awesome piece of gear for whomever gets lucky on the team. Back when questing was like the anime Log Horizon, or one of my favorite youtube shows "The Guild".

 

Today, it's all about do this as fast as you can because we've got to do it a million times to get "X". Today it's about "must have studied youtube fight, and know X" before you even think about joining someones party finder.

 

I quit doing dungeons because I took a break for awhile, and when I came back new stuff was out and I really don't feel like being the new person on some well versed team and I also don't feel like putting a PF team together only to end up with some elitist shtako who only jumped in cause they couldn't find a quick enough party.

 

People will say "Join a company that is raiding." I have been playing since launch and I have been in a total of 2 companies. The company I helped to start back at Launch, which I am currently back in and have also inherited since the previous leader went inactive after staying on her alt. Then another company, which I won't name. 

 

It was a raiding company, but it became apparent that the company leader came up with the rule that anyone with a 50 in "X" should get the loot if there was no one to benefit from it. So instead of everyone getting some random loot they could use later, he got the majority of all the loot since he had a 50 in everything. In the end, before I left, he had something like 14 pieces to everyone else 5-6.  

 

Raiding wasn't why I left but it became a reason I wasn't eager to jump back into a company. 

I had actually left to hop back into my old company and use the seals for boosts because coincidentally, that same company leader began forgetting to turn on XP boosts coincidentally after his last 50. I said I would be back afterwards but he took it as "I'm not coming back, here's the little gil you donated back." Which was then sent to a mutual friend who then gave it to me.

 

I do not like to deal in drama, I took my gil and just stayed where I was and made it a new home. I decided to work on my crafting and finish leveling all my jobs. Even if no one is very active, I don't have to deal with dramaz, or raid schedules, or loot hoarders or cliques. I do have a few friends who don't mind that I am not in their company and will let me tag along. I'm just sayin, things are no where near as cool as they used to be.

 

That's my vent. 

 

PS: if there are typos that's well because my tummy is rumbling and I'm in a rush to go make some lunch.

[Antain]

I have four LS channels that are supposed to be dedicated to helping people group up for randomness and/or clear content. I say 'supposed to' because while I offer help to those who ask I'M FUCKING IGNORED. When I ask for help I'M FUCKING IGNORED! God dammit I need those clears just like everyone else and I'm sick of being fucking ignored or told 'next week' or 'when the daily coil is lifted'. STOP FUCKING LYING TO ME AND JUST TELL ME TO SHUT THE FUCK UP SO I CAN FINALLY CLEAR MY LS CHANNELS FOR THOSE WHO ACTUALLY DO WHAT THEY FUCKING SAY!!!

 

 

 

Um...this was supposed to be venting, yes? :blush:

[Nebbs]

 

 

Um...this was supposed to be venting, yes? :blush:

 

*hugs*

[Kage]

 

Also, when I SCH dungeons, my honest goal is to out dps at least one of the DDs in my party. Not even ashamed.

I do this as SCH too. I take my WHM into trials and I usually just divine seal medica2 some Regen and then clEric and get to like 60% MP before I throw up shroud and heal again >.>

 

DRg says big pulls in Sastash. Proceeds to not do any AOE while tank does big pulls and no flashes.

 

... sch and I just heal our dmg, doing dps and killing thi ngh s >.>

[Gegenji]

Um...this was supposed to be venting, yes? :blush:

 

Yes, you're found the right place. Welcome, hate-brother, we've been waiting for you.

 

Seriously, though, Xiaoli touched on a lot of the reasons why I left WoW and got burned out in general. I think I mentioned it in the opening post or somewhere near there too. Raid guild drama is caustic and toxic and no fun at all. And I straight up hated the "to run this raid, you had to have run this raid" circular nonsense that had quickly become predominant. LFR helped a lot with that, but it was late in coming to someone who's played since Vanilla.

 

The FFXIV raids may be shorter. May be faster. May even be easier to learn, I dunno, I haven't dipped into it beyond ST/CT/First couple parts of the first Coil. However, it's pretty apparent the Raid Culture is here just as soundly as it is in WoW. And, really, I just don't WANT to get back into raiding.

 

I'm happy enough dressing up my green-haired midget to look like a Behemoth in Paladin armor and running around having RPs and helping here and there when someone in a dungeon needs themselves a tank.

[Nebbs]

 

Also, when I SCH dungeons, my honest goal is to out dps at least one of the DDs in my party. Not even ashamed.

I do this as SCH too. I take my WHM into trials and I usually just divine seal medica2 some Regen and then clEric and get to like 60% MP before I throw up shroud and heal again >.>

 

DRg says big pulls in Sastash. Proceeds to not do any AOE while tank does big pulls and no flashes.

 

... sch and I just heal our dmg, doing dps and killing thi ngh s >.>

 

When I heal it is a SCH and honestly being a Tank (I also DPS) my goal is to make people feel safe and that I got their back. If I can do that and dps fine, otherwise not. EoS can cover quite a bit. 

 

But if you want to dps as a goal, play dps. (IMHO)

[Kage]

I have four LS channels that are supposed to be dedicated to helping people group up for randomness and/or clear content. I say 'supposed to' because while I offer help to those who ask I'M FUCKING IGNORED. When I ask for help I'M FUCKING IGNORED! God dammit I need those clears just like everyone else and I'm sick of being fucking ignored or told 'next week' or 'when the daily coil is lifted'. STOP FUCKING LYING TO ME AND JUST TELL ME TO SHUT THE FUCK UP SO I CAN FINALLY CLEAR MY LS CHANNELS FOR THOSE WHO ACTUALLY DO WHAT THEY FUCKING SAY!!!

 

 

 

Um...this was supposed to be venting, yes? :blush:

 

I have seen my "static" group raidin time drop into oblivion but I try to keep there.

 

If you ever need something , shoot me a tell and I will try not to ignore you. Sometimes I am afk or tabbed but I'd like to think I have always tried to respond in kind.

[Gegenji]

Sometimes I am afk or tabbed

 

I have a whole album of creep shots that say it's more than "sometimes."

[Xiaoli Vorgan]

Um...this was supposed to be venting, yes? :blush:

 

Yes, you're found the right place. Welcome, hate-brother, we've been waiting for you.

 

Seriously, though, Xiaoli touched on a lot of the reasons why I left WoW and got burned out in general. I think I mentioned it in the opening post or somewhere near there too. Raid guild drama is caustic and toxic and no fun at all. And I straight up hated the "to run this raid, you had to have run this raid" circular nonsense that had quickly become predominant. LFR helped a lot with that, but it was late in coming to someone who's played since Vanilla.

 

The FFXIV raids may be shorter. May be faster. May even be easier to learn, I dunno, I haven't dipped into it beyond ST/CT/First couple parts of the first Coil. However, it's pretty apparent the Raid Culture is here just as soundly as it is in WoW. And, really, I just don't WANT to get back into raiding.

 

I'm happy enough dressing up my green-haired midget to look like a Behemoth in Paladin armor and running around having RPs and helping here and there when someone in a dungeon needs themselves a tank.

 

 

 Yes, I too fell off the WoW wagon for the same reasons. I do play it sometimes now and then but I play it the same way I play FF, except I'm in a perk guild so basically they don't care if you log in on not, there are people who have been inactive for years and can come back and still be in the guild.

 

 

I reallllly love this game, it's beautiful and can be fun when you do get to have that old timey atmosphere of playing with friends. I am also quite satisfied for now with dressing my char up like a virtual dolly, and running around RPing when I get the chance! I also had the pleasure of decorating both a FC house and personal house since for the FC, it was supposed to be a surprise for when the folks I made the company with back in the beginning came back.. but I think they got sucked into a wormhole instead.

 

 

Also: Holy moly at the other vent lol. That is table flipping venting there!

[Kage]

 

Also, when I SCH dungeons, my honest goal is to out dps at least one of the DDs in my party. Not even ashamed.

I do this as SCH too. I take my WHM into trials and I usually just divine seal medica2 some Regen and then clEric and get to like 60% MP before I throw up shroud and heal again >.>

 

DRg says big pulls in Sastash. Proceeds to not do any AOE while tank does big pulls and no flashes.

 

... sch and I just heal our dmg, doing dps and killing thi ngh s >.>

 

When I heal it is a SCH and honestly being a Tank (I also DPS) my goal is to make people feel safe and that I got their back. If I can do that and dps fine, otherwise not. EoS can cover quite a bit. 

 

But if you want to dps as a goal, play dps. (IMHO)

I think you misunderstand. Some DDs are honestly not very good and they don't take so much damage that a Rouse+Whispering Dawn+Shield won't cover while all you have to do to deal dmg is to apply dots+bane+renew dots. No one even gets below 90%.