Cross-species / Cross clans offspring

[just Vic]

Perhaps this has been answered in the past and if so I´d be thankful if someone could point me in the right direction / delete this thread 

 

Been wondering for a while if children from 2 different races (Miqo´te + Hyur for example) are possible and also if it can happen between clans (Seeker of the Sun + Keeper of the Moon) as well.

 

I know that there are no "hybrids" since there are none in the game so far, but I´d like to know if something like this was possible and if there were some sort of "dominance" for the race / clan of the resulting offspring

[ArmachiA]

Word of God says it's possible, though I don't have a link on hand

[Faye]

Yes, the devs confirmed crossbreeds, though they don't really explain the details of it. We also don't know for sure if we see any in game, aside from a couple Seeker and Keeper crossbreed NPC's.

[Seriphyn]

Though it's not mentioned, I always imagined that even though crossbreeding is possible, it may not be easy. Low fertility rates, high chances of stillbirth, and miscarriage etc.

[Knight Kat]

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/32685-Questions-related-to-Lore?p=490835&viewfull=1#post490835

 

Above post from the dev team says that it is possible and there actually is one sunseeker/moonkeeper hybrid in game though I forgot what her name was

 

On a personal note, my character is mixed ( Miqo/Hyur) but I play him as growing up Midlander culturally; though he is a bit of a pariah because of his mixed ancestry

 

It should also be noted from the info in that very same link that it says it is possible, but very rare.

 

I think cross-clan is probably more common. There are quite a few cross-clan Miqo'te NPCs in the game. And I see no reason why Highland Hyur and Midland Hyur can't mix. Same goes for the others.

 

However, the cross-race (cross-species) combination seems a lot less common. I have seen -no- cross-race NPCs in the game.

[just Vic]

Thanks everyone for the info, seems that indeed it is possible but quite rare, and for the clans I had figured that usually the child would inherit the clan traits of only one of the parents, since that would also explain why there are so many NPCs with very definite traits.

[Sounsyy]

Race and Clan mixing are a canon thing in lore. Minfilia's foster mom, F'lhaminn, is a confirmed mixed Keeper/Seeker.

 

Race Mixing | Clan Mixing

 

Although there are currently no mixed raced individuals in XIV, during the Las Vegas Lore Panel, Fernehalwes confirmed that in 3.0 mixed raced individuals will be introduced and we will get to see how they are treated in Eorzean society. (He hinted that it is not very well received, as the Races all really hate each other.)

[Mae]

Cross-clan should be viable -- it's pretty much the same thing as, say, a Russian and a Jamaican (pulling nationalities out of a hat here) getting together and having a child. Same species, just from different regions and lifestyles.

 

Cross-race, again, it's said to be possible but rare. Something to consider with the concept is the strain a mother might go through with a cross-race baby. If the sire is bigger or has a vastly different body configuration, there's going to be a risk of problems. This problem DOES exist in the real world between humans at times (a woman from a family/bloodline that's typically petite getting pregnant by a man who's family/bloodline tends towards producing 6'6" football players), but it's better illustrated with designer dogs/dogs that got loose.

 

To highlight an extreme case, a Lala would have a VERY hard time carrying a baby that was fathered by a Roegy. Totally disregarding how the Lala didn't get split in half while getting pregnant, the resulting baby would be too big for the Lala to carry without severe complications. Actual birthing would likely require a cecearan to be performed. In all likelihood, Lala with anything else would be a Bad Idea in general. Even Roegy to Hyur and Elezen to Miqo'te would probably run risks.

[Shoshopu]

re: cross-race offspring and size differences

 

My personal headcanon thus far is that it works like in the Elder Scrolls or Pokemon, where the offspring are the same species/race as the mother and inherit some minor traits from the father. Roegadyn male + lalafell female is like this game's Wailord + Surskitty, really.

[Blue]

While genetically possible, I think the major halt to cross-clan offspring among the Miqo'te is their huge difference in culture. Sure, there are individuals who are exceptions and stray from their clan's traditions (and a large % of roleplayers like to be that "special exception", I've found), but commonly, Seekers of the Sun are a patriarchal, tribal culture, while Keepers of the Moon are matriarchal and live in small families. The lore also says that both clans have an insular mentality and tend to live among their own kin rather, trying to avoid the other races.

 

But to go back to the inter-clan mating, I think a woman coming from a matriarchal structure and a male from a patriarchal one would be in heavy conflict, as both consider themselves the "leader" of the family. The same also goes if they were of opposite genders.

 

Seeker Female: Hey love, my sister also wants a child. I'm gonna call her over to mate with ya.

*the Keeper male flees*

 

Seeker Male 1: Hey, I'll be back in a hour or two, okay? Another female in my tribe wants a child and I'm their Nuhn.

*the Keeper female begins to seek ways to break Eternal Bond*

 

Seeker Male 2: Okay, now that I have you, I think I am officially no longer a Tia. We'll need to find more females.

*the second Keeper female seeks the first Keeper female to know how to break Eternal Bond*

 

So yeah... Hybrids are possible, but likely very rare because it's rare to find parents not influenced by their clan's mentality.

 

But again, you'll find that most of the RPers out there like to be "the rare case". So go on ahead.

[D'aito Kuji]

While genetically possible, I think the major halt to cross-clan offspring among the Miqo'te is their huge difference in culture. Sure, there are individuals who are exceptions and stray from their clan's traditions (and a large % of roleplayers like to be that "special exception", I've found), but commonly, Seekers of the Sun are a patriarchal, tribal culture, while Keepers of the Moon are matriarchal and live in small families. The lore also says that both clans have an insular mentality and tend to live among their own kin rather, trying to avoid the other races.

 

But to go back to the inter-clan mating, I think a woman coming from a matriarchal structure and a male from a patriarchal one would be in heavy conflict, as both consider themselves the "leader" of the family. The same also goes if they were of opposite genders.

 

Seeker Female: Hey love, my sister also wants a child. I'm gonna call her over to mate with ya.

*the Keeper male flees*

 

Seeker Male 1: Hey, I'll be back in a hour or two, okay? Another female in my tribe wants a child and I'm their Nuhn.

*the Keeper female begins to seek ways to break Eternal Bond*

 

Seeker Male 2: Okay, now that I have you, I think I am officially no longer a Tia. We'll need to find more females.

*the second Keeper female seeks the first Keeper female to know how to break Eternal Bond*

 

So yeah... Hybrids are possible, but likely very rare because it's rare to find parents not influenced by their clan's mentality.

 

But again, you'll find that most of the RPers out there like to be "the rare case". So go on ahead.

 

This is more or less how I see things as well.  If you're gonna play traditional and take into consideration the deep cultural divide between Seekers and Keepers then I think such cross relationships would be stressful and relatively uncommon.

 

I believe the Seeker/Keeper conflict has to be deeper than just a religious differences.  They've been apart for so long that they've developed slight but significant genetic differences.  So think about how uncommon it was for Jews/Protestants/Catholics/Muslims to cross marry and still is in many parts of the world.  I don't think Eorzea is meant to be as egalitarian as the modern world but I could be wrong.

 

But even so, while many people can form relationships despite religious/cultural differences, situations like having children could really complicate things.

 

What religious or cultural differences would the child be expected to live under? is a hybrid of both really doing service to the beliefs of the parents?  I imagine it could be very difficult for people of one faith tradition to see their children being influenced by the other parent's faith tradition.  And for the Miqo'te, these traditions might be and probably are stronger than that.  Seekers and Keepers do worship two different gods.

 

Still, just for the conflict alone it's tempting to RP it.  I find stories arising out of conflicts like these to be fascinating.  I don't think I could pull it off myself but I would like to see it done and done well.

[Kage]

It is my belief that one of the biggest issues is the fact that many races seemed to have a bit of a warring problem. one specific menton were the Hyur v Elezen being at war.

[Zyrusticae]

I would think that cosmopolitan couples wouldn't have those issues because they weren't necessarily raised under a traditional upbringing. Places with lots of intermingling tend towards cultural homogenization - hence the "melting pot" you see in places like the USA where the parents might come from a traditional household but the kids end up adopting all of the mannerisms and cultural values of the place they're raised in. I'd venture anyone living in a major city-state like Ul'dah or Limsa Lominsa (not necessarily Gridania because it's more insular) would end up with very different values from one that was raised in a traditional household setting.

 

As for the Lala birth issue, keep in mind that most of what makes birth complicated is the size of the human head, and Lalafells, for whatever reason, have bigger heads than any of the other races. I can't even fathom how they give birth to their own children. This is one of those things that I think you need to chalk up to "it's fantasy" and leave it at that.

[just Vic]

But even so, while many people can form relationships despite religious/cultural differences, situations like having children could really complicate things.

 

What religious or cultural differences would the child be expected to live under? is a hybrid of both really doing service to the beliefs of the parents?  I imagine it could be very difficult for people of one faith tradition to see their children being influenced by the other parent's faith tradition.  And for the Miqo'te, these traditions might be and probably are stronger than that.  Seekers and Keepers do worship two different gods.

 

Still, just for the conflict alone it's tempting to RP it.  I find stories arising out of conflicts like these to be fascinating.  I don't think I could pull it off myself but I would like to see it done and done well.

 

I was originally planning to use it into the backstory but now you´ve made me really curious about it haha

 

Have to wonder if someone has pulled this off before and how difficult it was, especially taking into consideration the whole "tension" going around since only when a common enemy came to the scene the different races and cities decided to band together, and even then not everyone is on the best of terms.

[Xiaoli Vorgan]

As mentioned several times, it was mentioned that it's possible but rare. At that point I think it's up to the players to decide if they want to RP this out. RP is supposed to be about imagination. It isn't lore breaking and to be honest, even if it were lore breaking as long as it doesn't God mode (powers that effect others in a way they don't want, having the actual Titan as a pet living in your house and attacking intruders) or make the impossible possible (being directly related by blood to a city leader or some figure head), I don't see a issue with it. One thing I learned about MMORPGs and RPing (well pretty much anything) is that no one likes advantages unless they are the one getting them.

 

I RP a seeker miqo'te character who has had a child with midlander hyur. We RPed it as being difficult, it was a blessing to have finally happened (you can actually get a dice and customize it on some websites. Roll it for high difficulty!). The pregnancy was very careful and she had friends watching over her to keep her safe. The only bother is that the child character can't be RPed out as created. She's made by using a Lalafell with features of the parents. She has predominately miqo'te features. She has Xia's eats and tail, as well as the markings on her face. She has her fathers hair color (streaks from her mom), eye color, attitude. Most people don't look at Tatyana's search info to see that she is playing a mixed character and of course will automatically see her as a lalafell. She doesn't care because she'll give them a quick message to let them know what is going on. Everyone I have seen her RP with has not had a problem with this and enjoys RPing with her. 

 

Tatyana

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Taty's dad and mom

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It would have been cool to be able to scale characters to create this effect but hey, it's all fun, games and imagination. You work with what you have available. I hope you have fun with your future ideas!

[Seriphyn]

I, for one, will gladly have Kale discriminate against mixed race individuals, if the game suggests that is a common thing.

 

Best kind of belligerence is lore-backed belligerence :evil:

[Blue]

I, for one, will gladly have Kale discriminate against mixed race individuals, if the game suggests that is a common thing.

 

Best kind of belligerence is lore-backed belligerence :evil:

 

Haha yeah, I do that with Jet'a Vann. The Keeper family he comes from was of the stricter approach to the Keeper's traditions. Females ruled and males were not even allowed to learn how to fight, instead helping inside the family to cook, work hides and make medicines.

 

Because of a tragedy in his past, Jet forced himself to break the rule of his family and learned Thaumaturgy (and took lives with it, a terrible sin in his family as among the Vann they are taught that Only those with the power to give life have Menphina's permission to take others' lives. The soul of a creature killed by a male will never find eternal rest and will wander in torment and sorrow as a condemned ghost, and so will their assassin when his life is claimed.), but even now Jet'a is very respectful of women and intimidated by them, seeing them as his superiors. He has kind of a racist scorn towards Seekers of the Sun males, as to Jet'a's point of view they disrespect their females by mating with more than one in their lifespan.

 

It's weird, but it's a kind of racism I like to RP for a change .

[Nalin]

I'd like to point out that there actually might be a half-bred model in the game already. The model was added in the 2.4 patch; I'll tag it under the spoiler tag so no one is spoiled if they don't want to be.

 

 

She appears briefly in the Shiva questline; she has an Elezen-like model, but human shaped ears. And to my knowledge, I don't think its possible for Elezen players to choose that ear shape? Correct me if I'm wrong of course. They never confirmed or denied she was half-bred in the questline though, only that she was thrust worthy because she was born outside of Ishgard.

 

So if it turns out she's half-bred, then she's the first actual model we have of a Hyur/Elezen halfbreed.

 

 

 

Just thought it was interesting enough to share! :3

[Sounsyy]

I'd like to point out that there actually might be a half-bred model in the game already.

 

She may be a half breed or...

 

...she may be a full blooded Garlean.

 

[FreelanceWizard]

[video=youtube]

 

...Sorry. Had to.

[Nalin]

I'd like to point out that there actually might be a half-bred model in the game already.

 

She may be a half breed or...

 

 

My entire life has been turned upside down. O_O......

 

Disregard my last post omg. I had no idea about that. /puts hand to face and laughs

[Tiergan]

Like someone mentioned, I feel like races who have spent most of their life in the cities would be more likely to go for the whole cross-clan thing. After all, once you've urbanized, a lot of traditions that might have held you back before go out the window, which is how F'lhaminn might have come to be - she DEFINITELY seemed like an urban kitty.

[Kismet]

I can personally easily see Miqo'te + Hyur and Hyur + Elezen offspring happening, albeit with possible complications. Roegadyn, maaaaybe. But nothing with Lalafell, because... No.

 

I'd also like to assume that the offspring of cross-race couples would distinctly come out physically as one race or the other once fully grown (i.e. no Elezen-height Midlanders or Highlanders with cat ears/tails). Of course, I have absolutely zero idea of what SE has in store for hybrid people we may see in 3.0, so that is just hopeful thinking and speculation on my part.

[Zyrusticae]

I, on the other hand, want to see a Miqo'te/Lalafell hybrid as that would be the perfect race for my purposes.

 

Lalafell are too short and rotund and Miqo'te are too... average, so that mix hits all of my buttons (but only if they finally add a freakin' muscle slider dammit).

 

For reference, this is what I imagine a Lala/Miqo hybrid to look like:

 

(Yes, I'm pretty much just asking for them to add the Lyn from Blade & Soul)

 

 

It's kind of like dogs. The cross-breeds are actually some of the most interesting animals you'll ever see:

 

 

(Corgi/Husky)

 

(Corgi/German Shepherd)

 

 

Hmmmm, the Corgi is really like the Lalafell of the dog world, isn't it? Heh. Hehe.

 

Anyway, the issue of birth complications is kind of a silly one to assume until we actually have knowledge of how the hell Lalafell birth their own children. And don't forget things like conjury and arcanima exist in this world. Birthing deaths and infant mortality is likely lower than it was in the real world during an equivalent period of our history (late 1700s/early 1800s).

 

Also, before I forget, the Lalafell, Miqo'te, Hyur, Elezen, Roegadyn and even Au Ra are all the same species, all considered under the banner of the "Races of Man". There's no reason to assume fantasy 'one side is always dominant' rules apply here. That kind of kills the whole appeal of it anyway. How could you even tell if someone is a halfbreed if they always look (mostly) the same as normal members?

[Berrod Armstrong]

 

...Sorry. Had to.

This made me laugh way harder than I should have