Looking to brawl in The Quicksand!

[Branson Thorne]

Right now, and I mean straight up brawl, no serious injuries / death allowed.

 

Take turns beating the crap out of each other, will be decided a draw when done.

 

The reason, the Quicksand is pretty boring right now..... Send tell in game if it seems like fun!

[Kimikimi]

Right now, and I mean straight up brawl, no serious injuries / death allowed.

 

Take turns beating the crap out of each other, will be decided a draw when done.

 

The reason, the Quicksand is pretty boring right now..... Send tell in game if it seems like fun!

 

Please no fights, Miss Momodi cannot handle the disruption it causes.

[Aya]

~_~ take your fights outside!

[Faye]

Title should be, "Looking to get arrested by the Flames in the Quicksand."

[Chlodomer]

Yeah agreed, lets rumble.

[Cliodhna Eoghan]

Yeah agreed, lets rumble.

 

fix your username and icon bart .-----.

 

also to op; as you seen, fights in the qs are not really going to be encouraged too much sooooo....

grindstone

and

friday night fisticuffs

links to threads that will give you a chance to get busted up on a weekly basis. won't fix your view on the quicksand being boring; but will give you something to do as far as fighting goes c:

[Branson Thorne]

Well the plan was to take it out side, I know better than to mess with everyones little Quicksand. Which, if being honest, seems a little.......dumb. It's a tavern, filled with a bunch of drunken egotistical men (my character included, minus the drunk part, he don't drink) and a fight is almost forbidden to take place. Seems almost immersion breaking to me!

 

But instead, I headed up running into a very odd girl, whom I am still trying to understand.....

[Telluride]

Well the plan was to take it out side, I know better than to mess with everyones little Quicksand. Which, if being honest, seems a little.......dumb. It's a tavern, filled with a bunch of drunken egotistical men (my character included, minus the drunk part, he don't drink) and a fight is almost forbidden to take place. Seems almost immersion breaking to me!

 

But instead, I headed up running into a very odd girl, whom I am still trying to understand.....

 

Look at it this way:

 

The Quicksand IS the Adventurer's Guild in Ul'dah. That means that it is very much the center of activity for people who regularly take down whole platoons of beastmen, people who, as an established part of game lore, have every reason to see Momodi's establishment succeed and function without undue harassment. If the place couldn't handle and eject hostiles with efficiency, it would have been razed to the ground by now.

 

What would be more immersion breaking would be to see people having a knock-down, drag out fight there, and NOT fully RP the week, if not plenty of more time, that they would need to recover from having dozens of angry, thirsty, primal-smashing adventurers applying a massive beatdown to them, and then most likely being hauled off by the Brass Blades. True immersion of that sort might rather demand that such a brawler would not log into the game at all for at least a few days while working out bribes/bail and medical attention.

 

If Buscarron can keep his own place free of fighting - in which we have an actual quest that puts the player into the role of peacekeeper - then think how well Momodi is able to do that, considering where she does business.

 

And OOC, people in SWTOR, where I RPed before, started long, arduous barfights all the time on Nar Shaada, but would fight with only each other, and conveniently ignored the 10 other players trying to drag them outside. In short, your immersion as the brawler would have to include an inevitable bad end, or else, there's no cause to complain.

[Kinono]

Was surprised to see so many posts against this! Momodi doesn't care about fights in the bar as far as I can tell, and dialouge seems to suggest it's common fare. Yes, the Brass Blades could arrest you but... they're the Brass Blades. They could arrest you for looking at them funny too.

 

Plus, I think I've seen a fight break out one outta every 3 times I've walked in that place.

[Askier]

I'll be honest, a brawl in the Quicksand would probably be the most excitingthing thats happened in that place in...well, a long time. Personally, I'm not a fan of tavern rp.

 

That said though, while it certainly wouldn't be particularly out of place,good luck trying to orchestrate the fight when you have walls of posts flying around and people getting involved left and right to some degree. Honestly the logistics of keeping the rp organized seems like the biggest issue once the chat box got chocked.

 

But if you feel like you can survive a sea of text, be ready for the arrest.The various law enforcement rpers keep that place pretty secure at all times.  But then again, that could be a fun rp in itsown way.  Best of luck whatever you endup doing. Random events are always enjoyable. 

[Branson Thorne]

I'll be honest, a brawl in the Quicksand would probably be the most excitingthing thats happened in that place in...well, a long time. Personally, I'm not a fan of tavern rp.

 

That said though, while it certainly wouldn't be particularly out of place,good luck trying to orchestrate the fight when you have walls of posts flying around and people getting involved left and right to some degree. Honestly the logistics of keeping the rp organized seems like the biggest issue once the chat box got chocked.

 

But if you feel like you can survive a sea of text, be ready for the arrest.The various law enforcement rpers keep that place pretty secure at all times.  But then again, that could be a fun rp in itsown way.  Best of luck whatever you endup doing. Random events are always enjoyable. 

 

I would love to turn it into a straight up tavern brawl with 10-15 people!

Sure it would be chaotic, but a real life brawl is!!!

 

Okay I'm going to do it.......you convinced me!

[Warren Castille]

This is quite the point of contention.

 

I'm of the opinion that it's acceptable for folks to want to start a fight, but it's also acceptable (and encouraged) to adhere when the various folks playing Blades/Sworn/Flames show up to bust asses. Most of the time, people are quick to back down and take it outside of the city walls when I've seen people interfere. Some times, though, you get the hardasses who break laws in public space and wave their dicks around, shirking off all consequences because reasons.

 

I don't get the impression that's the sort of thing OP was looking for. Just be prepared for do-gooders to step in and start trying to end the fight one way or the other.

[Gegenji]

This is quite the point of contention.

 

I'm of the opinion that it's acceptable for folks to want to start a fight, but it's also acceptable (and encouraged) to adhere when the various folks playing Blades/Sworn/Flames show up to bust asses. Most of the time, people are quick to back down and take it outside of the city walls when I've seen people interfere. Some times, though, you get the hardasses who break laws in public space and wave their dicks around, shirking off all consequences because reasons.

 

I don't get the impression that's the sort of thing OP was looking for. Just be prepared for do-gooders to step in and start trying to end the fight one way or the other.

 

And possibly a couple folks acting like they're unbeatable walls of flesh and muscle.

[Warren Castille]

This is quite the point of contention.

 

I'm of the opinion that it's acceptable for folks to want to start a fight, but it's also acceptable (and encouraged) to adhere when the various folks playing Blades/Sworn/Flames show up to bust asses. Most of the time, people are quick to back down and take it outside of the city walls when I've seen people interfere. Some times, though, you get the hardasses who break laws in public space and wave their dicks around, shirking off all consequences because reasons.

 

I don't get the impression that's the sort of thing OP was looking for. Just be prepared for do-gooders to step in and start trying to end the fight one way or the other.

 

And possibly a couple folks acting like they're unbeatable walls of flesh and muscle.

 

Always a given in public freeform RP.

[Knight Kat]

Kiht once walked up to C'kayah and Natalie outside the Quicksand with a trio of lancers at her back. I was still fairly new to RP, and thought it would be an interesting and fun surprise scene.

 

It turned into a cluster(censored) of characters; some of which were doing things like comparing the fluffy tails of the Miqo'te characters, and placing fish on the heads of Kiht's companions.

 

Natalie called the Sultansworn, that was expected. However all the 10 other random characters trying to comically push their way into the scene was not. Nothing got done, and no negotiation was had despite that being the point.

 

I still look back on that scene fondly for its entertainment value, but from a serious RP standpoint, it got nowhere. Something like that maybe should have been set up OOC, and should have taken place elsewhere.

 

Nowadays I think the Quicksand is more crazy. Try to have any sort of non-casual scene there and you'll get a Cluster(censored) Scene of Craycray from Hells.

 

If that is what you are looking for, have at it. :thumbsup:

[Unnamed Mercenary]

I remember a grumpy mercenary who got into a fight with a temporarily demoted Sultansworn turned Brass Blade once. He might've won if it weren't for that pesky -other- Sultansworn showing up.

 

Edit: I should add that it was over the forums. On a slow day. And said mercenary got quite a few stares for it. When he attempted in game, they HAD to take it to the street because a circle of people kept trying to watch/get in the way.

 

OOC Note: the Quicksand is one of the most densely populated area jn the game. There would be flood of people who would get involved.

[Kage]

Based on previous experiences, you'll get people claiming OOCly white-knighting when really ICly, people are upset someone's picking a fight/harassing their friend. You also get people OOCly claiming people are overstepping their "grounds"/"rank".

 

If you pick a fight, I know some hate this cause it goes against just having the story write itself, but I completely believe that some OOC communication is needed? Why? Because any type of confrontation I have been in turns into (AND I'LL SAY IT) a clusterfuck. Some of them in massive proportions.

 

Re: Kiht's scene: ICly Natalie had a linkshell of friends of whom she'd met through her duties or just other things. She calls over the linkshell when confronted. A bunch of them show up.

 

_____ in said LS gets attacked. People scramble all over the place trying to find THAT ONE FUCKING HEALER who can heal someone from a mauling or a backstabbing.

 

Kage gets KIDNAPPED from the Quicksand. Kage's friends notice something is up and OOCly as well as ICly I just tried to let things run its course. This actually became one of the most clusterfuck things I have ever seen happen. It was hectic and fun, but ohmyfuckinggod >.> The linkshell was still ICly used and most of these friends were made from meeting people in the Quicksand. You could say it was in its name >.> OOCly I said nothing. ICly, Kage tried to not get people involved because he had a big ass cray femroe willing to shank him. Kage's friends contact each over through the LS and a bunch of them start to confront this femroe. Queue running. Queue kidnapper being tackled while said shiv is still to Kage's back. Kage is shanked and some try to save him while EVEN MORE PEOPLE start to follow and try to track down this femroe.

 

Femroe is tracked down* and is confronted by like 15 people. It'd be a Mexican standoff because OTHER PEOPLE OUTSIDE OF THE CURRENT SCENE was looking for Femroe for something else.

 

Then someone brings the injured Kage to the scene of manymany people and Kage gets taken by another femroe. Who puts an axe to his neck. And people still want to take this new femroe down trying to bluff around Kage's life.

 

.... Yeah it was a clusterfuck. >.>;

 

tl;dr: I sincerely believe that if you don't want a scene of 5 people to become a scene of 30 people.... OOC communication!!!!! Especially in a place around or inside the Quicksand.

 

*At the time I know some people thought the tracking was done.... not quite kosher. Whatever. I don't know anymore.

[Branson Thorne]

This is quite the point of contention.

 

I'm of the opinion that it's acceptable for folks to want to start a fight, but it's also acceptable (and encouraged) to adhere when the various folks playing Blades/Sworn/Flames show up to bust asses. Most of the time, people are quick to back down and take it outside of the city walls when I've seen people interfere. Some times, though, you get the hardasses who break laws in public space and wave their dicks around, shirking off all consequences because reasons.

 

I don't get the impression that's the sort of thing OP was looking for. Just be prepared for do-gooders to step in and start trying to end the fight one way or the other.

 

Oh I expect there to be some RP law types showing up, as long as they can properly RP the situation, being as how a imagine in this time merely walking in and saying "I'm a good guy you must stop" Probably wouldn't be very effective.

 

I think if they could RP throwing a few punches themselves/being hit, this would make for an awesome time!

 

But, I do understand the point of, unless the people involved were willing to RP their injuries sustained for a few days, from an immersion RP point, probably wouldn't be very successful.

 

Me personally, I'd love to knock around a few people while getting my ass handed to me by drunken patrons/city guards!

[Gegenji]

tl;dr: I sincerely believe that if you don't want a scene of 5 people to become a scene of 30 people.... OOC communication!!!!! Especially in a place around or inside the Quicksand.

 

Really, I'm not surprised it ballooned out to that number. After all, everyone says to go to the Quicksand to get yourself some RP. That usually means idling around along the railing or getting a drink and hoping something pops up. Usually just someone walking up and initiating conversation with you (or, possibly, you doing that to someone else).

 

But have a sudden event where there's THINGS happening? EXCITING things? Rather than just the normal old "boring" RP, you've got fights and chases and the Blades/'Sworn stepping in. You can bet that people are going to try and jump on that, possibly without even trying to ask if they can step in. Or even trying to continue to participate even after being told this is a "private affair", with a few even making the valid comment that it shouldn't be done in a public place in such a case.

 

Basically, I would be more surprised if it DIDN'T become a cluster within short order.

[Kinono]

Me personally, I'd love to knock around a few people while getting my ass handed to me by drunken patrons/city guards!

 

You sound like the type of guy that'd be great to bring along to a bachelor party.

 

What are you doing in July?

[Coatleque]

Me personally, I'd love to knock around a few people while getting my ass handed to me by drunken patrons/city guards!

 

But when things settle down would you also love to be arrested for disorderly conduct for a day and fined a few hundred gil?

 

This is the biggest contention with people wanting to involve those who play law enforcement. They mostly expect to walk away scot-free once things are finished. It is why I try to keep things from turning violent inside the walls, and push people outside so they can beat each other senseless without me having to actually -be- the police.

[Telluride]

Me personally, I'd love to knock around a few people while getting my ass handed to me by drunken patrons/city guards!

 

But when things settle down would you also love to be arrested for disorderly conduct for a day and fined a few hundred gil?

 

This is the biggest contention with people wanting to involve those who play law enforcement. They mostly expect to walk away scot-free once things are finished. It is why I try to keep things from turning violent inside the walls, and push people outside so they can beat each other senseless without me having to actually -be- the police.

 

This, 100%, and exactly.

 

If you want to have a brawl as part of an open RP area, and not as a privately conducted scenario, but refuse to accept harsh IC consequences, you have no right to expect the player base to respect you.

 

"Tavern RP" may be boring to many, but refusing to respect that some people do want it, and have a place for it, is a bigger crime than boredom.

[Kage]

Me personally, I'd love to knock around a few people while getting my ass handed to me by drunken patrons/city guards!

 

But when things settle down would you also love to be arrested for disorderly conduct for a day and fined a few hundred gil?

 

This is the biggest contention with people wanting to involve those who play law enforcement.  They mostly expect to walk away scot-free once things are finished.   It is why I try to keep things from turning violent inside the walls, and push people outside so they can beat each other senseless without me having to actually -be- the police.

"I'm quite sure Momodi doesn't want her establishment harmed. Take the fight outside the city walls or I start bringing the fight to you."

I oocly chose to make sure this was the IC route Kage had. Both when he was a brass blade and when was a sworn.

[Unnamed Mercenary]

tl;dr: I sincerely believe that if you don't want a scene of 5 people to become a scene of 30 people.... OOC communication!!!!! Especially in a place around or inside the Quicksand.

 

Really, I'm not surprised it ballooned out to that number. After all, everyone says to go to the Quicksand to get yourself some RP. That usually means idling around along the railing or getting a drink and hoping something pops up. Usually just someone walking up and initiating conversation with you (or, possibly, you doing that to someone else).

 

But have a sudden event where there's THINGS happening? EXCITING things? Rather than just the normal old "boring" RP, you've got fights and chases and the Blades/'Sworn stepping in. You can bet that people are going to try and jump on that, possibly without even trying to ask if they can step in. Or even trying to continue to participate even after being told this is a "private affair", with a few even making the valid comment that it shouldn't be done in a public place in such a case.

 

Basically, I would be more surprised if it DIDN'T become a cluster within short order.

 

Pretty much this. ...I recall witnessing a date turned into walk-up murder once. couple people at a table, stranger walked up and snapped someone's neck, and the person died. THE ENTIRE QUICKSAND ASSEMBLED and we must have had about 60 people RPing all at once. It wasn't even possible to read the chatlog.

 

It's one of the really cool things baout open-world RP. Everyone will find a hook when something "interesting" or massive happens. But it can get really crazy out in the open like that. There's no way to easily manage that many people, and not everyone will adhere to "this is just between us" or "please let us act out our scene because it's not going to affect your RP". 

 

From past experiences, I'd say a punch or two is probably ok inside the Quicksand, but with the amount of people in there, I'd take it outside. There's a lovely exit that goes straight to an alleyway that is -wonderful- to beat people up in~

[Berrod Armstrong]

Me personally, I'd love to knock around a few people while getting my ass handed to me by drunken patrons/city guards!

 

But when things settle down would you also love to be arrested for disorderly conduct for a day and fined a few hundred gil?

 

This is the biggest contention with people wanting to involve those who play law enforcement.  They mostly expect to walk away scot-free once things are finished.   It is why I try to keep things from turning violent inside the walls, and push people outside so they can beat each other senseless without me having to actually -be- the police.

 

This, 100%, and exactly.

 

If you want to have a brawl as part of an open RP area, and not as a privately conducted scenario, but refuse to accept harsh IC consequences, you have no right to expect the player base to respect you.

 

"Tavern RP" may be boring to many, but refusing to respect that some people do want it, and have a place for it, is a bigger crime than boredom.

^ This. This, this this. Respect the setting, respect the circumstances, respect the consequences, and respect the players.

 

On another note, if something DOES go down and consequences loom, try playing them out! Having your character get arrested or fined can branch into more interesting avenues, and serve as wonderful background later down the road. Maybe he/she can't get that job down the line because he brawled in Momodi's place, maybe he's got a bad rep with the Blades now and they're always stink-eyeing him (behind those masks, anyway...). 

 

I often find that a lot of people try to start things in taverns because they are 'bored', then refuse to take things past there by sealing off those events in a bubble devoid of consequence. Try playing out the consequences, and you may fight yourself bored less often!

 

(General 'you' here, to clarify).