Plausibility of Vampire RP

[Warren Castille]

Hell, they'll call a plant a vampire.

 

It's pretty telling that they compared the blood-drinking tree monster to a myth and not the other way around.

[Val]

I don't really think we should take comical flavor text clearly meant to be a joke as a serious entry to lore, though. SE has a big history with throwing things in their games just to justify an action/event/whatever that doesn't need to be. The cephalopod seems to be more a joke name than anything else, an allusion to the real world myth rather than anything in game.

 

That's my take from it, at least

[Ignacius]

2 girls 1 cup, obviously vampires!

 

And that's what Larry Craig was doing; looking for vampires.  And he can't even tell us, because it's a government secret.

[DoomsdayClock]

Wouldn't it be entirely possible to use some form of void taint or touch to cause a similar condition and still work it into the lore?

[111]

Hell, they'll call a plant a vampire.

 

It's pretty telling that they compared the blood-drinking tree monster to a myth and not the other way around.

In ffxiv land 'vampire' just seems to mean creepy thing that drinks blood. 

 

We don't know any more than that. 

 

So as long as your char is 

 

A: Creepy

 

B: Drinks Blood

 

you're a vampire _____ . congrats, regardless if you got that way from a voidsent, traditional vampire, or radioactive bat.

 

 

Edit: ^^^ yep doomsday that's what I'm saying.

[Branson Thorne]

Well I mean if things are acceptable from an RP from merely being mentioned in game.....then Fuck it, I am not a Highlander, I am a chocoogle. I mean hey, moogles exist in the world and so do chocobos, I mean the lore doesn't explicitly say they couldn't breed, so hey it must be okay to RP as one!

[Warren Castille]

Well I mean if things are acceptable from an RP from merely being mentioned in game.....then Fuck it, I am not a Highlander, I am a chocoogle. I mean hey, moogles exist in the world and so do chocobos, I mean the lore doesn't explicitly say they couldn't breed, so hey it must be okay to RP as one!

 

Now now. Multiple unrelated things mention vampirism and blood-drinking. That's not quite the same as smashing two things together.

[V'aleera]

I don't really think we should take comical flavor text clearly meant to be a joke as a serious entry to lore, though. SE has a big history with throwing things in their games just to justify an action/event/whatever that doesn't need to be. The cephalopod seems to be more a joke name than anything else, an allusion to the real world myth rather than anything in game.

 

That's my take from it, at least

Stated lore is canon lore, until otherwise contradicted. You don't have to like it, but you do have to acknowledge it.

 

If we were to strike comical text out from canon the FFXIV universe would be a heck of a lot smaller.

[Branson Thorne]

Well I mean if things are acceptable from an RP from merely being mentioned in game.....then Fuck it, I am not a Highlander, I am a chocoogle. I mean hey, moogles exist in the world and so do chocobos, I mean the lore doesn't explicitly say they couldn't breed, so hey it must be okay to RP as one!

 

Now now. Multiple unrelated things mention vampirism and blood-drinking. That's not quite the same as smashing two things together.

The rebuttal I offer is that chocobos and moogles are actually a real thing, not something that is mentioned as a possibility. So it would stand to reason that at some point in maybe 100,000 years the possibility of one of them getting curious pops out an offspring.

 

*hippie voice*

Just think of the possibilities maaannn......

[Warren Castille]

Well I mean if things are acceptable from an RP from merely being mentioned in game.....then Fuck it, I am not a Highlander, I am a chocoogle. I mean hey, moogles exist in the world and so do chocobos, I mean the lore doesn't explicitly say they couldn't breed, so hey it must be okay to RP as one!

 

Now now. Multiple unrelated things mention vampirism and blood-drinking. That's not quite the same as smashing two things together.

The rebuttal I offer is that chocobos and moogles are actually a real thing, not something that is mentioned as a possibility. So it would stand to reason that at some point in maybe 100,000 years the possibility of one of them getting curious pops out an offspring.

 

*hippie voice*

Just think of the possibilities maaannn......

 

People and cats have existed on Earth for much longer, and we have zero successful crossbreeds of them. CHECKMATE, ATHEISTS.

[S'imba]

Basically where we're at is that vampire legends clearly exist in the folklore, and they seem to be somewhat similar to european anime vampires. 

Whether or not they actually exist is an open question, but the /legend/ of them does to some respect.

 

If you play some manner of character that sucks blood or drinks blood or needs blood to survive, calling yourself a 'vampire' isn't much of a stretch. Other characters would probably also call you a vampire, even if you'e not technically one.

 

I mean IClly it would be far easier to refer to a bloodsucker as a vampire. Even if they don't follow traditional vampire myth. Unless your character wants to sound like a pretentious douche and is like. "Technically." *Pushes rim of glasses up against nose* "He's not a vampire, but a bloodsucker who just happens to have a lot of traits that are consistent with vampirism."

[Sounsyy]

I don't really think we should take comical flavor text clearly meant to be a joke as a serious entry to lore, though. SE has a big history with throwing things in their games just to justify an action/event/whatever that doesn't need to be. The cephalopod seems to be more a joke name than anything else, an allusion to the real world myth rather than anything in game.

 

That's my take from it, at least

 

So... we can cherrypick the lore now based on whether or not we feel the mass culling of unfortunately named flying cephalopods is humorous or not?

 

There's a metric tonze of lore that comes from item descriptions, fishing lore, and mount/minion text. I don't see anything about the Vampiric Tapestry's text that was "clearly meant to be a joke." What it shows is that Ishgardian people are as superstitious as the rest of Eorzeans and will drive a stake through a creature's heart just because of its name. Similar to how Ishgardians culled Au Ra because of their draconic appearance.

 

If we are to discount these texts, we're also discounting the lore which gave us the name of Nanamo's father, the fact that Merlwyb Bloefhiswyn discovered the New World in 1556, and that during the War of the Magi, the Mhachi rode into battle on the backs of enchanted Manta Rays, which they called Magic Carpets.

 

Do we discount those as well? "If it's humorous, it's not canon" also eliminates the lore bomb that Ul'dah zombified Sil'dih to end the War of the Sisters 400 years ago. And if Events aren't canon we lost a lot of lore about Paladins and the Thorne Dynasty. I mean... do I really need to go on?

[Val]

If that's the case, we have Miqo'te dragoons because...?

[Flashhelix]

So... we can cherrypick the lore now based on whether or not we feel the mass culling of unfortunately named flying cephalopods is humorous or not?

 

I thought the point of this thread was that we can RP however we want???????

[Warren Castille]

My miqo'te dragoon is a vampire. Get dunked on, nerds.

 

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[Val]

My miqo'te dragoon is a vampire. Get dunked on, nerds.

 

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My Miqo'te dragoon is half vampire, half Allagan. 3stronk5u

[Melodia]

I don't really think we should take comical flavor text clearly meant to be a joke as a serious entry to lore, though. SE has a big history with throwing things in their games just to justify an action/event/whatever that doesn't need to be. The cephalopod seems to be more a joke name than anything else, an allusion to the real world myth rather than anything in game.

 

That's my take from it, at least

 

So... we can cherrypick the lore now based on whether or not we feel the mass culling of unfortunately named flying cephalopods is humorous or not?

 

There's a metric tonze of lore that comes from item descriptions, fishing lore, and mount/minion text. I don't see anything about the Vampiric Tapestry's text that was "clearly meant to be a joke." What it shows is that Ishgardian people are as superstitious as the rest of Eorzeans and will drive a stake through a creature's heart just because of its name. Similar to how Ishgardians culled Au Ra because of their draconic appearance.

 

If we are to discount these texts, we're also discounting the lore which gave us the name of Nanamo's father, the fact that Merlwyb Bloefhiswyn discovered the New World in 1556, and that during the War of the Magi, the Mhachi rode into battle on the backs of enchanted Manta Rays, which they called Magic Carpets.

 

Do we discount those as well? "If it's humorous, it's not canon" also eliminates the lore bomb that Ul'dah zombified Sil'dih to end the War of the Sisters 400 years ago. And if Events aren't canon we lost a lot of lore about Paladins and the Thorne Dynasty. I mean... do I really need to go on?

 

 

Sounsyy's point is valid and I agree. We can't just choose to ignore something because dislike the possible implications. I for one am not going to beg someone for lore and accept it with gratitude when it suits my purposes and then reject it next time because it doesn't. Thank you Sounsyy.

 

Edit- Though I still think a vampire is pretty much unplayable. *nods*

[Val]

I don't really think we should take comical flavor text clearly meant to be a joke as a serious entry to lore, though. SE has a big history with throwing things in their games just to justify an action/event/whatever that doesn't need to be. The cephalopod seems to be more a joke name than anything else, an allusion to the real world myth rather than anything in game.

 

That's my take from it, at least

 

So... we can cherrypick the lore now based on whether or not we feel the mass culling of unfortunately named flying cephalopods is humorous or not?

 

There's a metric tonze of lore that comes from item descriptions, fishing lore, and mount/minion text. I don't see anything about the Vampiric Tapestry's text that was "clearly meant to be a joke." What it shows is that Ishgardian people are as superstitious as the rest of Eorzeans and will drive a stake through a creature's heart just because of its name. Similar to how Ishgardians culled Au Ra because of their draconic appearance.

 

If we are to discount these texts, we're also discounting the lore which gave us the name of Nanamo's father, the fact that Merlwyb Bloefhiswyn discovered the New World in 1556, and that during the War of the Magi, the Mhachi rode into battle on the backs of enchanted Manta Rays, which they called Magic Carpets.

 

Do we discount those as well? "If it's humorous, it's not canon" also eliminates the lore bomb that Ul'dah zombified Sil'dih to end the War of the Sisters 400 years ago. And if Events aren't canon we lost a lot of lore about Paladins and the Thorne Dynasty. I mean... do I really need to go on?

 

 

Sounsyy's point is valid and I agree. We can't just choose to ignore something because dislike the possible implications. I for one am not going to beg someone for lore and accept it with gratitude when it suits my purposes and then reject it next time because it doesn't. Thank you Sounsyy.

 

Then we must also go on the assumption that because it isn't in game, it doesn't exist? Like how there's no justification for miqo'te dragoons and such beyond the super special main character? 

 

And I guess since I can ride Sleipnir and wear his armor, my character is Odin?

[Sounsyy]

If that's the case, we have Miqo'te dragoons because...?

So... we can cherrypick the lore now based on whether or not we feel the mass culling of unfortunately named flying cephalopods is humorous or not?

 

I thought the point of this thread was that we can RP however we want???????

 

Not sure what either of these posts has to do with anything, but knock yourself out Val.

[Flashhelix]

How do we know that any of the text relating to vampires is actually in-lore, however? There's been item text that, at first glance seems completely real, yet the devs themselves have come out and stated its non-canon nature. That is, Fantasia. So if Fantasia and the resulting flavor text isn't canon, what exactly is stopping somebody from asserting that a similar situation couldn't be happening with flavor text of another item?

[Val]

If that's the case, we have Miqo'te dragoons because...?

So... we can cherrypick the lore now based on whether or not we feel the mass culling of unfortunately named flying cephalopods is humorous or not?

 

I thought the point of this thread was that we can RP however we want???????

 

Not sure what either of these posts has to do with anything, but knock yourself out Val.

 

But now it's okay to assume based on what we see? I haven't seen a single miqo'te NPC in Ishgard outside of any recent immigrants, nor have I seen a single Miqo'te NPC dragoon and there is no flavor text relating to it afaik, so they must not exist.

[Warren Castille]

It could be argued that in the case of novelty stuff, it's there for amusement or costuming more than establishing lore.

 

The challenge then becomes declaring what's a novelty and what is not.

[Dravus]

I don't believe that it's necessarily a bad thing to 'cherry pick' which aspects of the lore are taken at face value and which are seen as being more of a playful jest. There's some pretty intriguing scraps of lore hidden away within the Hildibrand side quests, for example, but the overall tone of the rest of the quests are very slapstick and doesn't really align with how Eorzea is painted elsewhere.

 

I wouldn't bother touching FFXIV at all if the bulk of content revolved around Hildibrand style antics. As something confined to a specific set of side quests, however, I can stomach it easily enough. Yet if it were to become the norm or people started to consider it as such? Well, I'd find some other MMO to play instead.

[Val]

It could be argued that in the case of novelty stuff, it's there for amusement or costuming more than establishing lore.

 

The challenge then becomes declaring what's a novelty and what is not.

 This is what I'm getting at. Flavor text =/= truth, as it has been used not only in XIV, but many other games and things to add.. well. Flavor. If you don't have sound lore, you shouldn't be going to the flavor text to find it like some kind of starved crack-fiend. It's the fault of the devs for not making it clear and abundant. The fact that one case of joke flavor text exists means that others must.

[Warren Castille]

It could be argued that in the case of novelty stuff, it's there for amusement or costuming more than establishing lore.

 

The challenge then becomes declaring what's a novelty and what is not.

 This is what I'm getting at. Flavor text =/= truth, as it has been used not only in XIV, but many other games and things to add.. well. Flavor. If you don't have sound lore, you shouldn't be going to the flavor text to find it like some kind of starved crack-fiend. It's the fault of the devs for not making it clear and abundant. The fact that one case of joke flavor text exists means that others must.

 

Multiple items mention "vampire" in some form, complete with the trappings of the myth as we know it. It's not exactly the same case of Fantasia, which isn't referenced by anything else. Sure, we could say the cephalapod is joke flavor text, but the vampire fish? Reference to vampire bats? The term "vampire" had to come from somewhere, and not all of those descriptions get silly joke language in them.

 

We have no hard confirmation, but we have multiple soft ones, coming from things that are completely unrelated and all showcasing the same themes.