General Lore Questions

[Virella]

What was the general consensus on the after life in Eorzea again? I know there was a thread on it, but I cannot find it for the life of me.

 

I know the Ishgardians believe they go to the Halls of Halone, even going as far as believing it is a group of stars. I know there is the Realm of Nald'thal the Ul'dahn seem to be obsessed landing into but...

 

Didn't each respective God/Goddess have their own respective realm/hall/whatever their believers would join in their after life.

 

Of course we know they got to the lifestream, but I'm asking what the Eorzeans believed again.

 

try these ones.

 

RE: Ul'dah and unclaimed bodies?

 

RE: Thaumaturgy and the Order of Nald'Thal (Lore Questions)

 

RE: Religious texts and their influence in Eorzea

Still don't see what I was looking for, so I'm going to wait for someone to throw the answer to me!

 

But thanks anyhow, Franz

[V'aleera]

Are you looking for the text about the different kinds of "heavens" discussed in the Astrologian quests? If so, go to this link: http://xivdb.com/lore-finder?loresearch=heaven

 

And use ctrl+F to search for: TEXT_JOBAST

[Virella]

Are you looking for the text about the different kinds of "heavens" discussed in the Astrologian quests? If so, go to this link: http://xivdb.com/lore-finder?loresearch=heaven

 

And use ctrl+F to search for: TEXT_JOBAST

No, the realms of the Gods people think they go to in their after life.

 

I thought every respective god has their hall their believers go to, but I cannot for the life of me find the quote of lore on it.

 

But thank you anyhow!

[KoharuIyashi]

A question about Raens and Xaelas. Are the two race hostile to the other race? Or are they just two different race with different culture and lifestyle, and really have nothing toward the other race?

[Kilieit]

Some Xaela tribes are hostile to all outsiders, Raen or Hyur or Xaela.

 

Only one Xaela tribe is recorded to accept Raen as members (the Malaguld, who take exiled Raen and the like).

 

It seems, from various texts, like there's a fair amount of animosity between the two clans, or varying intensities and seriousness depending on the individuals involved.

 

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In roleplay/fanon, I've come across the idea fairly often that Domans and, by association, the Raen tend to view the Xaela in the manner Eorzeans view Beastmen.

[Valence]

It sounds a bit extreme as an analogy though. As far as I know there is no eorzean beast tribe with human bodies, unlike the xaelas that are of the same race than the raen. If Domans saw xaelas as beastmen in the same fashion than eorzeans, then they would see raen as beastmean too... Which would excluse raen from living in Doma. Unless there is something we don't know and somehow raen are actually living like second class citizens/animals in Doma, which I find unlikely.

 

They both seem to originate from the same group, except one has chosen to abandon the nomadic lifestyle while the other has chosen to carry on with it.

[Kilieit]

I think you're underestimating potential prejudices about that nomadic lifestyle.

 

What the Domans get to see isn't "ah, they're just like the Raen but with different coloured scales". They see "ah, they're like Raen with different scales, and the bulk of them are unpredictable, potentially violent, and not amenable to trade".

 

So you get the Xaela being viewed as this group of generally violent people, who can't be negotiated with, and are better avoided especially by non-combatants...

[Dreams of Priapia]

Here's a simple question I have, as it bears some importance with a small portion of the backstory I've been gravitating towards:

 

How much effect do the seasons hold upon Eorzea? When Winter falls, what areas would be blanketed in snow or even feel its touch? 

 

Perhaps more specifically, is there anything to suggest how Mor Dhona might be affected by Winter? I would personally imagine that accompanied by the barren landscape and the presence of a large body of water, it could be possible, though without having quested there I want to hear from someone else.

[Valence]

I think you're underestimating potential prejudices about that nomadic lifestyle.

 

What the Domans get to see isn't "ah, they're just like the Raen but with different coloured scales". They see "ah, they're like Raen with different scales, and the bulk of them are unpredictable, potentially violent, and not amenable to trade".

 

So you get the Xaela being viewed as this group of generally violent people, who can't be negotiated with, and are better avoided especially by non-combatants...

 

I don't disagree with that, but I also do disagree that it's anything close to comparisons and analogies with beast tribes and how they are treated in Eorzea. To my eyes that is purely racial issue, unlike the more general xenophobic approach you can have toward a bunch of aggressive bandits roaming around.

 

Granted, if those xaela look enough like animals, I can totally see some domans snorting at them that way though! But they are still human, unlike beastmen.

[Valence]

Here's a simple question I have, as it bears some importance with a small portion of the backstory I've been gravitating towards:

 

How much effect do the seasons hold upon Eorzea? When Winter falls, what areas would be blanketed in snow or even feel its touch? 

 

Perhaps more specifically, is there anything to suggest how Mor Dhona might be affected by Winter? I would personally imagine that accompanied by the barren landscape and the presence of a large body of water, it could be possible, though without having quested there I want to hear from someone else.

 

Don't hold my word for that since I would be unable to find back where I read about it, but I was pretty sure that The Shroud for example, gets to be blanketed in snow during winter.

[Valence]

Are you looking for the text about the different kinds of "heavens" discussed in the Astrologian quests? If so, go to this link: http://xivdb.com/lore-finder?loresearch=heaven

 

And use ctrl+F to search for: TEXT_JOBAST

No, the realms of the Gods people think they go to in their after life.

 

I thought every respective god has their hall their believers go to, but I cannot for the life of me find the quote of lore on it.

 

But thank you anyhow!

 

I know it's rather succint and vague, but if that is of any help, Gridanians seem to often refer to "going back to the Matron's Bosom", which directly refers to the fertile earth that gives birth to every life in their view.

 

The dead seem also to be burried in gridanian fashion under burial mounds, as seen above the Tam-Tara.

[Etoile]

I think you're underestimating potential prejudices about that nomadic lifestyle.

 

What the Domans get to see isn't "ah, they're just like the Raen but with different coloured scales". They see "ah, they're like Raen with different scales, and the bulk of them are unpredictable, potentially violent, and not amenable to trade".

 

So you get the Xaela being viewed as this group of generally violent people, who can't be negotiated with, and are better avoided especially by non-combatants...

 

 

As per relations between the two groups I took a subtle cue from the game material. The Xaela are likened to the mongols and the roaming hoards. It's probably pure speculation but I treat the relationships in a similar vein as the Japanese and Mongols. In my rp the Doman Raen view Xeala as crude and violent wanderers who lack proper education and culture. How each Raen treats a Xeala would still depend on the character's personality and the present situation itself. Many of them might be willing to overlook a history of clashing with the alternative clan in favor of banding together once they became refugees in a strange land. That's how I play it, anyhow.

[Valence]

Two questions!

 

1) What do we know of the Stone Torches exactly, other that they got assigned to keep the entrance to Copperbell Mines when the Heicatonchires got loose? What differentiates them from the Brass Blades, for example? Who do they obey to? What is their job? They are seldom mentionned in the story, or anywhere...

 

2) What do we know of the Green Rot, besides that there is no cure known to man (except the one improvised by the lala medicinal healer in Little Ala-Migho, that her greedy/lunatic father immediately wants to patent and sell)? I know that it literally transforms your innards into a foul green paste as implied by the name, but other than that..? Is it a magical disease? Or non magical? Any other info?

[Jana]

Stone Torches are the same thing as Brass Blades, except that they answer to the Amajiina (can't check the spelling at work) Mineral Concern. Think of them as being the law enforcement and guards specifically for the mines.

[Rufus Wightman]

Question: Do we consider paladins to be "Holy" magic users since HW came out? I ask because of Divine Veil, mostly. Clemency has some very holy-ish aspects to it as well. I don't think it's ever really been specifically said what type of aether a Paladin uses to do their spells, so I'm curious what others think about this.

[Jana]

I don't think there's any concrete info on it, but I'd assume it's light-aspected rather than "holy", like the Banish spells used by mobs in Pharos Sirios. Maybe someone else who knows more can help?

[Valence]

The actual Holy used by white mages is unaspected. 

 

However, it seems to lean, like, 100% on the Astral pole of aether. Maybe paladin stuff is similar? It's unaspected too right?

[Etoile]

What is the timeline for the Au Ra in regards to when the Garlean forces attacked and gave them a reason to flee? How much time has passed since then and the present time, and were the two tribes targeted at different times due to the Doma sorta poking the hornets nest all on their own?

[Gegenji]

What is the timeline for the Au Ra in regards to when the Garlean forces attacked and gave them a reason to flee? How much time has passed since then and the present time, and were the two tribes targeted at different times due to the Doma sorta poking the hornets nest all on their own?

 

By tribes, I'm assuming you mean the Raen and the Xaela... as opposed to the numerous different types of Xaela tribes as listed. In which case, I should mention that the Raen actually lived in Doma with the rest of the Domans - so they would've migrated over with the rest of the non-Auri Domans. Yugiri is an example of this.

 

As for the Xaela themselves, it's not outright stated why they started coming over too. And I'd assume the various Xaelan tribes are pretty scattered over the Othardian steppes, so it would be quite the effort for the Garleans to go after them. That said, if they heard tale of the burning down of an entire city-state (with whom at least one Xaelan tribe was trading with regularly), it could inspire some of them to beat feet out of there. Or it just be left unexplained beyond the mechanical reason of "the race needs two clans to choose from."

 

Still, that would give you the time-frame of when they came over and how long it's been. They came over around the time of the razing. Of course, you're free to have had your character come before or after for whatever reason, and your personal time-frame will adjust accordingly to that.

[Jana]

The razing itself was only a few months ago in game time. Doma's rebellion was prompted by the death of the previous Garlean emperor, who was alive at the start of ARR.

[Valence]

As seen explained in the DRK storyline, Sidurgu emigrated to flee garleans invaders years ago, for example. Only to get slaughtered by the ishgardians that stumbled upon his family/clan.

[Etoile]

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[Gegenji]

As for the Xaela themselves, it's not outright stated why they started coming over too. And I'd assume the various Xaelan tribes are pretty scattered over the Othardian steppes, so it would be quite the effort for the Garleans to go after them.

 

Would they perhaps go after the Garleans if they entered territory the tribe had claimed?

 

Considering how warlike many of them are, like the Dotharl? I could totally see that happening. Especially if they're encroaching on the resources the tribe needs to survive. Walling off the nearest supply of drinking water, for example.

[KoharuIyashi]

Bumping!

 

How does the Garlean empire feel toward the Au Ra and Doma in general? I've been playing around with Koharu, being a female raen, was forced to be a member of the Garlean empire's army. Is this a possible scenario?

[Valence]

In general, the Garlean Empire feels that everyone should be united under its banner. They hold very imperialistic views with the ideal aim being to unite everyone, get rid of conflicts, and especially the threat of primals. 

 

They function a bit like the Roman Empire, from which they take their inspiration. They conquer new nations and lands one after another thanks to the power Magitek afforded them. Depending on the willingness of those nations to resist, their later treatment under garlean rule once annexed will vary: the more you resist, and especially the more you continue to resist even after, means that the Empire will be especially brutal and tyrannical with you, but the more you collaborate and accept quietly their rule and you will be afforded to keep governance of your nation as long as you comply to the few of their rules and authority (like military service among others). In fact, the Garlean Empire is not that much interested in meddling in internal affairds of the nations they subdue, and instead prefer to use proxies and let them govern themselves.

 

Doma resisted quite a bit before being conquered. They were oppressed to an unknown degree (unlike Ala-Migho for which we know that it's pretty harsh), until they decided last year to revolt against the regime, taking advantage of the death of the first garlean emperor, hoping the empire would have other things to take care of, infighting among other things. Unfortunately for the doman resistance, they seriously miscalculated and Doma (the city) got literally razed to the ground as reprisal, spawning a huge stream of refugees fleeing to Eorzea (some of them lead by Yugiri in the MSQ).

 

So, I would say, the general view of the Garlean Empire towards other nations is essentially a strong feeling of their own superiority (through Magitek, culture, etc). They don't hate them, but just consider themselves to be superior to anybody else, in a rather martial culture. I bet they didn't see Domans in any other way, but still seem interestingly enough as seen in the ninja questline to have taken interest in their Shinobi orders to train their own Imperial Shadows. 

 

Now though, after the recent rebellion and the razing of Doma, the Garleans probably see Domans no better than Ala-Mighans themselves: terrorists or people harboring terrorists.

 

Also, being forced to enlist in the garlean military is actually one of the main scenari supported by lore! A huge part of the garlean military is actually composed of auxilliaries and militias that originate from a bit of all the nations they conquered. It can for example be seen in the 2.0 MSQ, when you just finish the quests for your starting city, in the following cutscene where all the gaurds and soliders discussing between each other seem to hail from different places. Nero even goes to call one out and slay him for being a possible double agent.

 

The garleans are no fools and perfectly know that they don't have the manpower to waste in huge legions, and the biggest part of their forces is composed of those enlisted foreign soldiers. Some of them willingly as part of the deal they have with their rulers (to then having the possibility to get afforded garlean citizenship, I think the military service is quite lenghty though, like 10, 20 years or something). And some of them, against their will.

 

It's a very good way for garleans to not only field their superior technology to balance out their inability to resort to any Magi, but also to field mages from nations that don't have that issue!

 

If you want to read more exhaustively about Garlemald, you can find  a compilation here.

 

As for Doma in relation to Garlemald, see here.