Edited Title; Public Space OOC/IC issue~

[Anthony Valron]

I'm coming here because today, while RPing in Camp Dragonhead, I had a bad experience with someone complaining to me OOCly in a very wordy, condescending manner that my Ishgardian nobleman gave their character a look of annoyance that they were in the same building as him.

 

"[in a public place like Dragonhead too. I'm sorry, it's very much clashing against the established lore. You own this building and such ? The rule isn't being broken, you're just overstepping the boundaries and performing an action without knowing the background of whom you're interacting with. Please, check again.]"

 

Now, I pretty much lost it at this point. I was confused, immensely! I didn't say a word about what they could, or shouldn't do. My character simply glanced at someone else's with annoyance.

 

Did I do something wrong? Is there a Balmung code of "don't look at people"? 

 

I'm actually upset by this because I've never, in 5 years of MMO RP, had this happen over a simple glance RPed by two lines of text.

 

e: there were several more whispers after, that insulted my intelligence and my lore-knowledge as well as said that I should pay attention to 'real RPers'.

[ɴᴘᴄ]

Well, I have names turned off for ~immersion~, so I'm always looking around, clicking people. Rubbernecking, perhaps.

 

I haven't had this particular experience, but it sounds akin to godmodding, being told what your character is doing by someone else (though other users here may have a better definition). Tough to say with no direct connection to these specific events. Even if you emoted in some way, ignoring the action IC and immediately going into OOC damage control seems excessive.

 

I'd politely ask them to refrain from doing so, or from stating anything about your character's actions that you haven't telegraphed explicitly. If they're a pain, give 'em the old BL.

[Anthony Valron]

I was just absolutely in shock that 2 lines of my character being annoyed someone else was at the meeting he had planned could result in 1000+ characters of hate whispers.

[Brynhilde]

Sounds like your regular run-of-the-mill a-hole. Ignore and do your thang.

 

PS, Giving the stink eye is pretty much all Ishgardian noblemen DO.

[Nebbs]

There is no code, if there is I don't know about it.. or any other code for that matter.

 

Sounds like someone who is very lore strict projecting that onto others, in this case you. I expect with that level of tolerance they will be frustrated a lot.

 

I know any negative dig can be upsetting, even out and out trolls. But I would brush it off, and there is always blacklisting.

 

RP the way you want to RP.

[Anthony Valron]

Sounds like your regular run-of-the-mill a-hole. Ignore and do your thang.

 

PS, Giving the stink eye is pretty much all Ishgardian noblemen DO.

THIS! I thought I was abiding in lore by doing such a thing because lol, my character is a noble!

[V'aleera]

That's just bizarre.

[Anthony Valron]

Yeah, I mean, I don't normally bring things up or post anything like this

 

but what the heck? this was just insane and I'm so lost and confused.

 

e: also hi v'aleera

[Aaron]

Did you tell em to grow a pair it's rp?

 

Thats what I'd have done.

[Anthony Valron]

"Excuse me, but I know a great deal more about Ishgardian Lore than you, so I would highly appreciate you take your condescending, superior attitude and shove it up your ass. ))"

 

was my final reply before blacklisting them.

 

I was a bit mad.

[mongi291]

Oh yeah. I was there with Anthony when that happened. Not that it mattered because they were whispers, so... I don't really know what to say.

[Boo the Hamster]

I'd have just lol'd and moved on if I was you.  People get upset over the dumbest stuff, and that's something you got to figure out yourself.

 

This would be one of those things in my opinion.

[Lydia Lightfoot]

I'm waiting for the other party to see the thread and be like "OH NO HE DI'INT" and come reply to it.

 

Popcorn on standby.

[Eses Fafa]

I'm waiting for the other party to see the thread and be like "OH NO HE DI'INT" and come reply to it.

 

Popcorn on standby.

 ^ 

 

Pass the buttah?

[Eddard]

That person's attitude is his own and by no means reflects the general attitude of the RPC. Blacklist and proceed with whatever approach to RP you'd like to do.

[Hyakki]

It might be the wording but to me, it sounds as if OP was offended that a stranger did not include them in a closed RP or accept their personal headcanon for the area.

 

Not everyone is comfortable with randoms inviting themselves. Check their search info to see if they're open to walk-up style RP or ask for permission to join. Also, don't take offense if they say no.

 

The alleged quote from the other player has me confused, did you imply you owned the building or did they assume you were suggesting such? If it was the former, shame on you, would you appreciate someone forcing their way of RP on you? You handled this situation poorly.

 

Do you somehow have different knowledge or is it just the implication about the use of 'lore' or 'OP's meeting place' that made you think about something that no one else is reading into this?

"[in a public place like Dragonhead too. I'm sorry, it's very much clashing against the established lore. You own this building and such ? The rule isn't being broken, you're just overstepping the boundaries and performing an action without knowing the background of whom you're interacting with. Please, check again.]"

The bold part is what has me wondering. Either OP insisted the spot was his property and not a part of Dragonhead or the other party made assumptions and flipped out over nothing. We don't have the full details, maybe more was said or maybe the other guy really was that easily triggered. Either way, poor decisions were made on handling the situation.

 

If "/em looked at another person in the same area" was just throwing someone into another person's "closed" RP... welp. My thoughts on that are :roll::lol:

It might be for some people. There's always the option to ignore the newcomer's presence and carry on if that''s the case.

 

I'm gonna slither back under my cozy rock now, later.

[Kage]

Do you somehow have different knowledge or is it just the implication about the use of 'lore' or 'OP's meeting place' that made you think about something that no one else is reading into this?

 

Granted, there is a lot missing but what is presented is:

>OP glances at other RPer in Dragonhead area with annoyance.

>OP gets a bunch of tells by someone who is angry that OP looked at them with annoyance. It sounds as if the other RPer made the assumption that this annoyance was due to standing or ownership of the area and got upset OOCly.

 

While the words about "someone being at OP's meeting" may be a -slight- trigger, that seems to be a leap. Dragonhead is open to others. A simple "/em sees the glance of annoyance and rolls their eyes. As if the areas was closed or owned by a private entity." by the other person could have easily been the response. Or even "/em ignored the look of annoyance and continued about their day with their acquaintance(s)."

 

If "/em looked at another person in the same area" was just throwing someone into another person's "closed" RP... welp. My thoughts on that are :roll::lol:

 

"Excuse me, but I know a great deal more about Ishgardian Lore than you, so I would highly appreciate you take your condescending, superior attitude and shove it up your ass. ))"

I don't think this was appropriate though.

[Virella]

Despite being away for a few more days, I just have to chip in that people absolutely love bashing down onto Ishgardians who aren't exiles, heretics or sympathisers. While I have no issue with it IC, I've even managed to get OOC blog posts about myself (in the lines of "I fucking hate you because your character is so fucking obnoxious, go kill yourself please" x_X)

 

It is a thing us Ishgardians somehow seem to be an easy target for, because hell, Ishgardians simply don't get along with people IC right away (unless you are the exile, heretic, sympathiser lot), and people tend to take it as an insult OOC. I tend to just laugh it off, throw them on ignore. Ain't worth my time. People who can't divert IC from OOC are the worst.

 

That said, most people dislike Virella, Virella dislikes most people simply for the fact they are not Ishgardian and treats them like trash. I do not mind the IC clashing, the nagging, the bitching, the fights ect, I expect it to happen. But as soon as it turns OOC? I'm out.

[Oli!]

I feel like if it was implied at some point (or anywhere) that the OP owned the building in their RP, then that would be the main point of contention for the other person, not so much the glare. The reason for this is that claiming to own locations in-game that aren't actually own-able by the player population (like personal and guild housing) is generally looked upon pretty badly.

 

If that's what happened, it was probably the reason why the person was upset over the stink-eye, and not so much the stink-eye itself. It could have been that they saw that action as code for "get out, I own this," when they had the right to use the building for what they want as much as anyone else does.

 

If that wasn't implied anywhere, though, then I'm not sure. It's possible that they made the jump-connection on their own, but I sort-of doubt it.

[FreelanceWizard]

Not everyone is comfortable with randoms inviting themselves. Check their search info to see if they're open to walk-up style RP or ask for permission to join. Also, don't take offense if they say no.

 

If you're not comfortable with random people showing up and getting involved with your RP, do not do it in public. The IC consequence of RPing in public is that people might respond to it, just as the IC consequence of responding to that RP might be being told to shove off ICly.

 

No one should ever feel that they have to ask for permission to get involved in RP taking place in a clearly public location.

[Anthony Valron]

I feel like if it was implied at some point (or anywhere) that the OP owned the building in their RP, then that would be the main point of contention for the other person, not so much the glare. The reason for this is that claiming to own locations in-game that aren't actually own-able by the player population (like personal and guild housing) is generally looked upon pretty badly.

 

If that's what happened, it was probably the reason why the person was upset over the stink-eye, and not so much the stink-eye itself. It could have been that they saw that action as code for "get out, I own this," when they had the right to use the building for what they want as much as anyone else does.

 

If that wasn't implied anywhere, though, then I'm not sure. It's possible that they made the jump-connection on their own, but I sort-of doubt it.

The emote literally consisted of this:

 

Anthony Valron frowned at the traveler, an expression of annoyance spreading over his face as he awaited his business meeting.

[Oli!]

Not everyone is comfortable with randoms inviting themselves. Check their search info to see if they're open to walk-up style RP or ask for permission to join. Also, don't take offense if they say no.

 

If you're not comfortable with random people showing up and getting involved with your RP, do not do it in public. The IC consequence of RPing in public is that people might respond to it, just as the IC consequence of responding to that RP might be being told to shove off ICly.

 

No one should ever feel that they have to ask for permission to get involved in RP taking place in a clearly public location.

 

I don't really know if this is valid.

 

While yes, not doing it in public is the easiest solution at first glance, the problem arises of where to have it in the first place. Not everyone has a private location such as a house readily available, and it's entirely possible that the RP that you just want to have with yourself and two friends might call for a specific location.

 

Sometimes people respond to presence, even if all dialogue is in Party, or a linkshell.

 

There's also the fact that public spaces can be used for whatever the public wants; this includes Private RP.

[Anthony Valron]

Just to clarify: I did not claim part of Dragonhead, nor will I ever. I did not even attempt to engage the other party in my RP, or enter theirs. My character simply reacted to the presence of someone who he didn't know in the area where he had scheduled a meeting.

 

This ended with 1000 characters saying that I didn't know the lore, I wasn't a good RPer, and that I shouldn't claim areas of public spaces.

 

I'm not sure why this was even thought, since the only IC interaction I had was a two-line emote expressing displeasure at someone being nearby without any words said. Said player immediately took it OOC and began raging at me.

 

I'm new to Balmung, and some RP communities do have specific rules, so I wanted to see if I was doing something wrong, etc.

[13uddy]

e: there were several more whispers after, that insulted my intelligence and my lore-knowledge as well as said that I should pay attention to 'real RPers'.

 

That last part literally made me choke on my drink laughing.  Nothing says "Special Snowflake" like a comment like that.

 

I'm sorry that this happened.  It isn't fun when someone takes something trivial and tries to spin it as if you had personally attacked them or something.  They could have easily just ignored you instead of getting so worked up.  

 

I haven't had anything like this happen to me lately, but it does unfortunately pop up every once in a while.  The most recent was quite some time ago when I initially started the game before I had to take an extended hiatus.  My first character was a Lalafell that I planned to say was found and raised by Hellsguard, so he was named using Roegadyn naming conventions.  Not the most original idea and it might have been stretching lore a bit, but MOST people either didn't have a problem or they just didn't make a fuss about it if they did.  But there was one person who apparently thought it was the most offensive thing ever, and instead of being civil and saying "Hey, I don't really think that your name fits", I was called every insult they could think of (though most were spelled incorrectly) and told I should "give up and die".  It didn't upset me, but it was just so mind boggling that someone would take that much offense to it when I had no prior interaction with this person.

[Sounsyy]

I for one am very confused upon what lore infraction was supposedly committed?

 

An Ishgardian looked at a foreigner with disdain. This in and of itself is... commonplace? Ishgardians are no friends to Outsiders. Notable exceptions being some more open-minded members of House Fortemps. But not even all of House Fortemps feels similarly to the Count de Fortemps. This particular House tends to be more open towards it due to the Count's policy on hiring a large number of foreigners to serve their House. Which, if you talk to certain NPCs in Ishgard is seen as unbecoming to a man of Edmond's stature.