The Vent Tent - Poor PuGs and Other Terrible Tales

[S'imba]

Lmao the fate grinded players.

90% of the drk players when the class first came out. DPS who all picked it up without any real tanking experience, pretty sure that's why you can go into a dungeon pop a few cooldowns on pulls and the healer will be amazed.

[111]

If you're not a melee and you're in a group with a melee and you pop LB the second the chime sounds, you're an asshole. That's all, really. If you're a "mentor" while in a group with a new player and you do it, you're a larger, more gaping asshole.

I MEANNNNNNN

 

Does it really matter? It's like a difference of a 2-3%, and often the melee will get killed if they do it (Like on Ampador with the cureIV explosion)

[111]

Sorry I'm just grumpy.

 

I know I'm frustrating to pug with. I either:

 

1) Half-afk and watch anime as I barely fulfill my role as healer or tank

 

2) Want to get the dungeon done yesterday, and blast through it super fast (and get mad if people don't keep up)

 

I've done a shitload of them by now, I've been mean to people. I'm the poor pug :c

[Kibu]

I got a random tank last night that would sprint away halfway through a battle in order to go grab another group of mobs, leaving the dps to get chewed on by all the things he couldn't hold aggro on. To make things more fun, he was at-level for the dungeon with woefully under-level gear. Being the healer was... let's just say 'intense'.

 

I've been told that I need to learn when to stop healing a bad tank and just let them die when they do stupid stuff, but that makes me feel really guilty...

[111]

I got a random tank last night that would sprint away halfway through a battle in order to go grab another group of mobs, leaving the dps to get chewed on by all the things he couldn't hold aggro on. To make things more fun, he was at-level for the dungeon with woefully under-level gear. Being the healer was... let's just say 'intense'.

 

I've been told that I need to learn when to stop healing a bad tank and just let them die when they do stupid stuff, but that makes me feel really guilty...

The problem is if they die, you usually die too.

[Kibu]

I got a random tank last night that would sprint away halfway through a battle in order to go grab another group of mobs, leaving the dps to get chewed on by all the things he couldn't hold aggro on. To make things more fun, he was at-level for the dungeon with woefully under-level gear. Being the healer was... let's just say 'intense'.

 

I've been told that I need to learn when to stop healing a bad tank and just let them die when they do stupid stuff, but that makes me feel really guilty...

The problem is if they die, you usually die too.

I've gotten pretty good at keeping dps alive if they're able to keep things off me. Otherwise yeah, it gets ugly and usually ends in a wipe. Maybe someday I'll be good enough to just heal-tank 

[111]

I got a random tank last night that would sprint away halfway through a battle in order to go grab another group of mobs, leaving the dps to get chewed on by all the things he couldn't hold aggro on. To make things more fun, he was at-level for the dungeon with woefully under-level gear. Being the healer was... let's just say 'intense'.

 

I've been told that I need to learn when to stop healing a bad tank and just let them die when they do stupid stuff, but that makes me feel really guilty...

The problem is if they die, you usually die too.

I've gotten pretty good at keeping dps alive if they're able to keep things off me. Otherwise yeah, it gets ugly and usually ends in a wipe. Maybe someday I'll be good enough to just heal-tank 

Other games have heal-tank classes. 

 

Warrior Priest in Wargammer Age of Reckoning was my favorite. I'm wondering if they'll add more heals and shields to Paladin next expansion. There is actually a part in A7s where I have to cast clemency or someone dies! For once it's useful for something

[Ehzo'ir Tyaka]

This tank talk reminds me of when I was leveling my scholar. Did a Roulette and got... Sastasha. Alright, that means either a snooze fest or newbies. I start to cast protect as the last person loads and... off goes the Dark knight in their level 30 gear. No problem I can catch up and... oh they are sprinting. Through the first mobs. And the second. And they are already at less than half health. 

 

Finally am able to catch up to them just as they die since they didn't wait for any back up. Given that I didn't have a chance to help, I get ganged up by all of the mobs while the newbie (leaf) Lancer and the... I want to say Archer? (Both had leaves) tried their best. We wipe after clearing a few of the enemies and all the tank said was "Again" before sprinting off without waiting again!

 

This time I was more prepared, and we survived at first and then the tank -sprints- off again halfway through the fight to get another pack! We wipe -again- because the tank didn't keep aggro on the things we were already fighting. They then just leave the group.

 

Thirty seconds later we got another tank in and cleared the entire thing without issue. But man, that tank really made me want to slap them.

[Aaron]

He wanted to be a track star when he was little but his dreams were crushed by his nihilistic obese father.

 

So now he sprints through dungeons to try and run from the pain he will never be able to escape.

[111]

He wanted to be a track star when he was little but his dreams were crushed by his nihilistic obese father.

 

So now he sprints through dungeons to try and run from the pain he will never be able to escape.

This isn't the thread to tell your life story in aaron.

[Kibu]

This tank talk reminds me of when I was leveling my scholar. Did a Roulette and got... Sastasha. Alright, that means either a snooze fest or newbies. I start to cast protect as the last person loads and... off goes the Dark knight in their level 30 gear. No problem I can catch up and... oh they are sprinting. Through the first mobs. And the second. And they are already at less than half health. 

 

Finally am able to catch up to them just as they die since they didn't wait for any back up. Given that I didn't have a chance to help, I get ganged up by all of the mobs while the newbie (leaf) Lancer and the... I want to say Archer? (Both had leaves) tried their best. We wipe after clearing a few of the enemies and all the tank said was "Again" before sprinting off without waiting again!

 

This time I was more prepared, and we survived at first and then the tank -sprints- off again halfway through the fight to get another pack! We wipe -again- because the tank didn't keep aggro on the things we were already fighting. They then just leave the group.

 

Thirty seconds later we got another tank in and cleared the entire thing without issue. But man, that tank really made me want to slap them.

 

Basically this, only in Qarn. And with slightly more restraint on the part of the tank. Who was also a dark knight, and I am also a scholar. And I had a bard with me. Hrm. Coincidences...

[Warren Castille]

If you're not a melee and you're in a group with a melee and you pop LB the second the chime sounds, you're an asshole. That's all, really. If you're a "mentor" while in a group with a new player and you do it, you're a larger, more gaping asshole.

I MEANNNNNNN

 

Does it really matter? It's like a difference of a 2-3%, and often the melee will get killed if they do it (Like on Ampador with the cureIV explosion)

 

It doesn't really matter, but it falls in line with the discussion from a few pages ago: If you're grouping up for content, you're also utilizing the time and efforts of 3-7 other people. It's inconsiderate to only account for your own time or enjoyment in a group setting.

 

I mean, this makes it sound like I care waaaaay more than I really do, given how many posts I've spent on it at this point. It just sticks in my craw when people who are ostensibly trying to depict themselves as mentors use trash habits and impatience. It paints a bad picture for actual new players where the folks opting into appearing helpful are completely mute and don't advocate good play.

[111]

Hmm speaking of that I should wear the 1500 commendation robe and the pope hat when I DR. Then people can hate mentors for real.

 

GREETINGS PEONS I AM THE LORD OF MENTORS.

 

BOW DOWN TO ME.

[Dat Oni]

If one more healer sits there during the first boss of Antitower and spams cure, physick, what have you on myself instead of prioritizing purging Concussion, I'm gonna scream.

 

It's an ailment. It isn't a damage soak, and for the love of Nymeia, it's not a tankbuster, either, so no, I am not going to pop a CD, especially not to make up for the massive, unnecessary amount of damage that I could simply walk out of if you did your job, healer who I know is gonna say this because stupidity is that fucking reliable.

 

 

 

Yes I am aware I could simply go DRK and stop having to give any inkling of a fuck-don't judge me!

 

[Warren Castille]

Healers who don't erase that Concussion are bad (or unaware). Admittedly, it's the same debuff icon as the unerasable one from A5, but seriously, one cleanse will mitigate a ton more damage than any stacked heals or regens. Plus, it lets a tank resume DPS.

 

Grinds my gears.

[Delilah Scythewood]

Healers who don't erase that Concussion are bad (or unaware). Admittedly, it's the same debuff icon as the unerasable one from A5, but seriously, one cleanse will mitigate a ton more damage than any stacked heals or regens. Plus, it lets a tank resume DPS.

 

Grinds my gears.

I am one of those who are unaware but it's good to know!

[Valence]

The simple fact that they use the same icons and buff and that both behave differently is ludicrous to me, as a heal.

[Heidrek]

Healers who don't erase that Concussion are bad (or unaware). Admittedly, it's the same debuff icon as the unerasable one from A5, but seriously, one cleanse will mitigate a ton more damage than any stacked heals or regens. Plus, it lets a tank resume DPS.

 

Grinds my gears.

 

TIL that you can dispel Concussion.

[Kellach Woods]

If you're a bard, you can Warden's it.

 

so if you notice your healer is like "but muh A5", you can do something about it.

[Gegenji]

I usually tank the Expert roulettes just because the queue is faster, but I always tend to commend a healer if they get rid of that debuff... and pay a bit closer attention to those that don't. Unless they're new, of course, in which case it is something I tell them right off the bat before pulling. Of course, I've had some... Characters in Antitower that I was wary of before that boss.

 

A WHM that only used Cure I and Medica II and a Roe SCH who, when everyone was at full health, would Manderville rather than doing anything useful.

[Kellach Woods]

A WHM that only used Cure I and Medica II and a Roe SCH who, when everyone was at full health, would Manderville rather than doing anything useful.

 

dammit why must you find people that are worse than I am even considering my insecurities and anxieties about healing!

[Dat Oni]

Raltz and I decided to a run of The Aery. I tried doing a sackpull of the first few mobs, and it went okay until it became clear the healer could not keep up. We wiped, and Raltz timidly asked if the Healer ran out of mp.

 

The healer proceeded to completely lose their shit, immediately acting as if Raltz had made some sort of broad claim. Even as I blatantly told them to their face no one was accusing them of failing, and that it was my fault for not checking their gear and assuming they could handle it,  they retorted that it was normal to blame the healer for everything (said the healer to the tank). I told them to stop or we would remove them. They told me to do it.

 

Surprise, the run failed on the first go. Our second try was more successful, but holy crap, are some people just insane.

[Aaron]

It's all your fault, obviously.

 

If you try and tell me otherwise I'll ignore you because I don't want to hear facts right now.

[Warren Castille]

Unless I know the healer personally or they tell me it's okay to pull big groups, I don't bother trying to speed up most of the leveling content. Overgearing them isn't nearly as much of a bubble as you can get at level cap and more often than not it just kills someone.

[Caspar]

Sac pulling Aery is a thing? O_0 I had no idea... Usually everyone is there for lvling or story, so I try to be patient.