2.5 SPOILER THREAD (Do not enter unless you have completed 2.5 Story!)

[Kage]

IIRC Godbert wasn't on the syndicate at the time of the vote on the Domans.

I -think- this is during the vote or the discussion.

[LiveVoltage]

I faintly remember during. . . what was it, 2.2? 2.3? One of the patches whenever this meeting took place, not all of the members of the Syndicate were present. Cant exactly remember who, but it was 2 people who were not there.

 

With that said, I dont think were out of the wood's regarding character death's yet. It is the finale after all so there will be major events happening.

[Kage]

So apparently, if you did 2.2 Hildibrand before the MSQ, you'd have had this.

[Sounsyy]

 

Momodi in Revenant's Toll

 

Adding to the list of patrons at Rowena's Cafe of Splendors is... Gerolt! Who will turn up next?!

 

 

So apparently, if you did 2.2 Hildibrand before the MSQ, you'd have had this.

 

Also Kage, yes, thank you! ^^ Those screenshots you posted are of the Doman vote and Godbert votes nay.

[Kage]

http://ff14net.2chblog.jp/archives/43082260.html

 

There's also this elezen lady who I don't know (or her name)

[Sounsyy]

http://ff14net.2chblog.jp/archives/43082260.html

 

There's also this elezen lady who I don't know (or her name)

 

Ah, that's Mother Miounne!

 

 

So we have Momodi, Miounne, Gerolt, and Godbert so far. Two Adventurers' Guild leaders, a man in serious debt to Rowena, and Godbert, who is either an innocent patron, or is secretly helping to fund the construction of Revenant's Toll. Perhaps after he turned down the Domans he's grown a conscious? Would explain his recent appearances in the Starlight Festival, the last Hildibrand cutscenes, and the upcoming Manderville Gold Saucer.

 

So should we be on the lookout for Baderon?

[Dat Oni]

I desperately want to see the lovely ladies of the Missing Member show up and trash the place.

[Steel Wolf]

Is it at all possible that Godbert is there as a placeholder? I mean...I don't know the guy terribly well, but from the little I've been exposed to him, he didn't strike me as the sort to turn down refugees?

 

...I has a confuse.

[Sounsyy]

Is it at all possible that Godbert is there as a placeholder? I mean...I don't know the guy terribly well, but from the little I've been exposed to him, he didn't strike me as the sort to turn down refugees?

 

...I has a confuse.

 

Godbert Manderville is a bonafide member of the Syndicate since the Calamity, replacing Eolande Quiveron (the former director of Phrondale's Phrontistery) who was killed in the Calamity.

 

But you are correct in that refusing the Domans was seemingly uncharacteristic of the Godbert Manderville we know from other quests. I mean, in the Hildibrand and Starlight quests he's seen going out of his way to be a charitable person.

 

Eolande Quiveron seen here on the far left.

 

 

 

In this picture, the Syndicate members from furthest away to closest are:

 

Left

-Lord Lolorito of the East Aldenard Trading Company

-Prior Dewlala, Director of the Milvaneth Sacrarium

-Godbert Manderville, Goldsmith Extraordinaire

 

Right

-Raubahn Aldynn, General of the Immortal Flames and owner of the Coliseum

-Prince Teledji Adeledji of the Mirage Trust

-Fyrgeiss, Chief Foreman of Amajina & Sons Mineral Concern

 

 

We also know of two other former Syndicate members besides Eolande. A man named Rycharde, who is not the same person as Rycharde Mistbeard (dev confirmed), who used to own the Coliseum before Raubahn Aldynn bought him out in the year 1570 6AE. And a Lalafell named Cicidoa Sosodoa, who we know absolutely nothing about.

[Kage]

It's very possible that all things in Eorzea are canon in the Hildibrand line but the Hildibrand line isn't completely canon. The antics and the way Godbert acts in the Hildibrand line may not be quite what he is in the main story. Godbert is able to exert all he can in the Hildibrand line but in the main story he's just as chained in the Syndicate. He's just a wealthy guy.

 

Herding wealthy people is even harder than herding cats.

[Telluride]

It's very possible that all things in Eorzea are canon in the Hildibrand line but the Hildibrand line isn't completely canon. The antics and the way Godbert acts in the Hildibrand line may not be quite what he is in the main story. Godbert is able to exert all he can in the Hildibrand line but in the main story he's just as chained in the Syndicate. He's just a wealthy guy.

 

Herding wealthy people is even harder than herding cats.

 

That still doesn't excuse him from being asked what he was doing during the Battle of Carteneau, when a SuperSa... er, Manderville Man might have been, oh... useful? We just won't get a serious answer.

[Kage]

If he was at Cartenau he might just be ole Eolande. (Not that she died because of Cartenau). You know, he could be dead. Godbert isn't an adventurer. He's not a hero. He doesn't -want- to be one from the looks of it.

[Berrod Armstrong]

It's very possible that all things in Eorzea are canon in the Hildibrand line but the Hildibrand line isn't completely canon. The antics and the way Godbert acts in the Hildibrand line may not be quite what he is in the main story. Godbert is able to exert all he can in the Hildibrand line but in the main story he's just as chained in the Syndicate. He's just a wealthy guy.

 

Herding wealthy people is even harder than herding cats.

 

That still doesn't excuse him from being asked what he was doing during the Battle of Carteneau, when a SuperSa... er,  Manderville Man might have been, oh... useful? We just won't get a serious answer.

His son had just shot himself into space to punch the moon! He was probably on bereavement leave.

[Telluride]

It's very possible that all things in Eorzea are canon in the Hildibrand line but the Hildibrand line isn't completely canon. The antics and the way Godbert acts in the Hildibrand line may not be quite what he is in the main story. Godbert is able to exert all he can in the Hildibrand line but in the main story he's just as chained in the Syndicate. He's just a wealthy guy.

 

Herding wealthy people is even harder than herding cats.

 

That still doesn't excuse him from being asked what he was doing during the Battle of Carteneau, when a SuperSa... er,  Manderville Man might have been, oh... useful? We just won't get a serious answer.

His son had just shot himself into space to punch the moon! He was probably on bereavement leave.

 

Good grief, don't tell Raubahn that. Or Merlwyb.

[Kage]

Comparing grand company leaders to some guy who's just plain rich doesn't quite cut it. Godbert isn't the warrior of light. He's not an adventurer. He's chosen not to be. He chose to be a manly as fuck crafter. He can defend himself and his family. He can rightfully choose to not go to arms for people. It's his life.

 

Fault him all you want, he doesn't owe anyone squat.

[Telluride]

Comparing grand company leaders to some guy who's just plain rich doesn't quite cut it. Godbert isn't the warrior of light. He's not an adventurer. He's chosen not to be. He chose to be a manly as fuck crafter. He can defend himself and his family. He can rightfully choose to not go to arms for people. It's his life.

 

Fault him all you want, he doesn't owe anyone squat.

 

I am reminded of this:

 

A Man Said to the Universe

 

By Stephen Crane

 

A man said to the universe:

“Sir, I exist!”

“However,” replied the universe,

“The fact has not created in me

A sense of obligation.”

 

 

But that works both ways. Godbert owes us nothing.... but we don't owe him a lick of praise, either. As long as he doesn't care, then all is in balance.

 

My only other comment would be vetoed because I am apparently the only person here who hates the #$^@#$% Manderville Dance, but I don't owe it squat for acknowledgement, either.

 

EDIT: The Mandervilles are pretty much the Tom Bombadils of Eorzea.

[Warren Castille]

Truthfully, we don't know squat about Godbert. The "truest" thing we saw of him, in my opinion, was the Meteor Survivor's Ring quest. He helps his son out, sure, but he might be a howling racist for all we know.

[LiveVoltage]

Truthfully, we don't know squat about Godbert. The "truest" thing we saw of him, in my opinion, was the Meteor Survivor's Ring quest. He helps his son out, sure, but he might be a howling racist for all we know.

I would agree with this. Aside from being the wacky father of Hildibrand, there is virtually nothing know about his personal life save he's a monetarist. Nothing about his political or personal life awnsers the big question.

 

(I think we can rule out that he is a racist though due to the fact Hildi is surrounded by Non-Hyur people and he hasnt made a pass to anybody from a diffrent race.)

 

Here is to hoping that more knowledge about him aside from becoming a Casino owner for 2.55 gets revealed when 2.5 part 2 drops.

[Zyrusticae]

*Ahem*

 

Godbert not helping the Domans can be explained by the fact that Ul'dah is already overswelling with refugees between Ala Mhigo and the Calamity. Believing that adding even more refugees would only exacerbate already-existing issues would mean that refusing them asylum would actually be the most reasonable course of action.

 

Sometimes the most visible and obvious good action is not actually the best action.

[Sounsyy]

Truthfully, we don't know squat about Godbert. The "truest" thing we saw of him, in my opinion, was the Meteor Survivor's Ring quest. He helps his son out, sure, but he might be a howling racist for all we know.

I would agree with this. Aside from being the wacky father of Hildibrand, there is virtually nothing know about his personal life save he's a monetarist. Nothing about his political or personal life awnsers the big question.

 

(I think we can rule out that he is a racist though due to the fact Hildi is surrounded by Non-Hyur people and he hasnt made a pass to anybody from a diffrent race.)

 

Here is to hoping that more knowledge about him aside from becoming a Casino owner for 2.55 gets revealed when 2.5 part 2 drops.

 

Well, he is seen in the recent Starlight Event going around Eorzea disguised as the Saint of Nymeia making toys for children and finding/repairing lost trinkets for both the boy in the questline and it's even heavily hinted that he, as in Godbert, also helped Koh with her lost trinket way back when she was a child. These are but two examples, but if we pull also from the second installment of the Hildibrand Quests (the ones with the Treaty Blade), Godbert repairs a broken relic for the little girl without a moments hesitation.

 

Maybe Godbert has a soft spot for children? I guess if the Manderville Golden Saucer has a focus on providing a fun environment for children and the whole family, we'll know Godbert really loves children. (And I don't mean that in a creepy way! >< Julyan would murder him with her skillet.)

 

IDK, that single cutscene of him vetoing the Doman's plea is the only time we ever see Godbert's character behave in an unsavory fashion, suplexing fleeing individuals aside. The only (farfetched) theory I can come up with that makes sense is that Godbert somehow knew that the Scions, who had just recently relocated to Mor Dhona, would take the Domans in. If Godbert is actually funding the construction and expansion of Mor Dhona, either through donations to Rowena or the Adventurers' Guild, his decision to veto Doman sanctuary in Ul'dah would actually work beneficially for him, Ul'dah, and the Domans.

 

Ul'dah is not "economically burdened" by more refugees, Domans will be welcome in a city they can eventually call their own and won't be in a horrible situation like the Ala Mhigans currently are, and Godbert gets cheap labor to hasten his construction plans in Revenant's Toll.

 

As I said, this theory hinges entirely on Godbert somehow knowing the Domans would receive sanctuary in Revenant's Toll, but if he did, the theory fits.

[LiveVoltage]

Huh, I didnt know that. . .  or I did and I didnt notice it till now.  

 

Was Godbert in 1.0 at all? Could give us an insight to how his dealings work if he is, or if there is anything on him for that matter.

[Dante Abigor]

Has anyone mentioned that the Ascian guy (whatever his name is, RIP) said something about how Elidibus would have been mad if he killed Minfilia outright? Who wants to bet Elidibus is her father or something?? Theories?

 

Nah Minfillia is the little girl who's dad get murdalized by a gobbue in 1.0, then adopted by Minfillia later so unless they do some massive region or sloppy writing then he is pretty dead.

[Kellach Woods]

IDK, that single cutscene of him vetoing the Doman's plea is the only time we ever see Godbert's character behave in an unsavory fashion, suplexing fleeing individuals aside. The only (farfetched) theory I can come up with that makes sense is that Godbert somehow knew that the Scions, who had just recently relocated to Mor Dhona, would take the Domans in. If Godbert is actually funding the construction and expansion of Mor Dhona, either through donations to Rowena or the Adventurers' Guild, his decision to veto Doman sanctuary in Ul'dah would actually work beneficially for him, Ul'dah, and the Domans. 

 

This hinges entirely too much on ifs and unconfirmed stuff when there's a much easier way to justify it.

 

Godbert looks at Pearl Lane, sees how the Ala Mhigan refugees are treated. Why the fuck would he subject another group to that treatment knowing what we know of the guy?

 

No need to think he's funneling money into Mor Dhona (Besides, Rowena is doing SO WELL on her own that she pretty much owns the place now) or use any placeholder lore.

 

Accepting new refugees does not mean actually caring for them. He'd certainly be aware of at least that.

 

Plus, his presence on that vote entirely depends on whether or not you did 2.2 Hildibrand before that cutscene. They can EASILY say that he wasn't there for the vote due to his wanderings.

[Berrod Armstrong]

I'm just grinning here because I really enjoy how Godbert Manderville has evolved from a simple quest NPC in Bronze Lake to a side story character who has taken on more life than the main character of that side story.

 

Yes. Need more characters like this. Develop them! Intrigue us with them. Kill them if you want but at least let us have our fun first.

 

 

I also enjoy you guys for looking so deeply into the NPCs themselves! Fun stuff.

[Kellach Woods]

honestly think we're trying to look for stuff that isn't there.

 

also, Hildibrand is the kind of NPC you just cannot introduce in MSQ without severe suspension of disbelief. See, Godbert is actually... COMPETENT so his placement in the overarching lore makes sense.

 

Hildibrand... isn't.