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I understand, though they didn't just walk away. They wanted me to leave the Quicksand (and I had to, because he wouldn't let go that I was not "allowed" in a building that to his theory was only for adventurers). There is quite a difference in that. I don't think it is an acceptable behavior, and I don't think anyone should feel compelled to chase someone away (if not out of your own house, I guess?). That is what I meant with "don't be that guy". No one should do that, no matter what. If it helps, my character was not offensive in the slightest (she was a mom looking for her lost child, and wanted to hire an adventurer because the authorities weren't being of sufficient help). But I don't think it should be relevant. I was in a public area, doing nothing against the ToS, and no one should feel entitled to tell me to leave.

; ; Shepherd Class? I want that...!!

please re-read my post a couple up... then re-read it again, and as many times as you need to, to understand this very simple point, as I am not sure how many times I can phrase this so that it is understood: We are not imposing rules. We are restricting who we roleplay with, no one else. You can play what you want. We do not have to like it. We have a choice whether we Roleplay with you. You have a choice who you Roleplay with. We are not trying to force anyone to roleplay anything other than what they choose to roleplay. We are simply picking roleplay partners that fit our interpretation of the lore. this post is also pertinent to the thread at hand: How to properly react to RP you don't like? accept that you guys aren't going to mesh and move on. I know and I was supporting you. My response was addressing to those who are saying that "others are just wrong and shouldn't do it because of this and this and this.". I am sorry for contributing to the thread derail. As of back to topic, I already have my response back in the first pages, and it pretty much said the same things you did now. but... but... no one here has made that claim.... head hurts... confusion spreading.... I agree that the best thing to do is just walk away. IC should not be used as a way to leak in your OOC disapproval of what the other roleplayer is doing, like what that guy did to me in the Quicksands. And yes, I'm positive it was OOC leaking, because initially he approached me very kindly. Soon as I ICly told him I wasn't an adventurer, I started receiving tells. And after the tells, his IC behavior completely swapped over and he told me that I had to leave because it wasn't my place to be. Don't be that guy, everyone

please re-read my post a couple up... then re-read it again, and as many times as you need to, to understand this very simple point, as I am not sure how many times I can phrase this so that it is understood: We are not imposing rules. We are restricting who we roleplay with, no one else. You can play what you want. We do not have to like it. We have a choice whether we Roleplay with you. You have a choice who you Roleplay with. We are not trying to force anyone to roleplay anything other than what they choose to roleplay. We are simply picking roleplay partners that fit our interpretation of the lore. this post is also pertinent to the thread at hand: How to properly react to RP you don't like? accept that you guys aren't going to mesh and move on. I know and I was supporting you. My response was addressing to those who are saying that "others are just wrong and shouldn't do it because of this and this and this.". I am sorry for contributing to the thread derail. As of back to topic, I already have my response back in the first pages, and it pretty much said the same things you did now.

All right, first off I want to take... half a step back, because I was writing that post before I could get to see that video (it was a long post), I had watched it live during the festival and I only remembered the white mage part. However, it is only half a step, because if 1.0's warriors of light are addressed as plural, I don't see why there should only be one left in ARR. But maybe it's becayse "Warrior of Light" is more a title than a "category of people" in this case. I think I remember the title being given to you at the end of 2.0, so that's probably it. I do believe however that the others who appear in Hydaelyn's Call cutscene have the same powers and duties you were tasked with (I mean.. Hydaelyn WAS talking to all of them after all.. they couldn't be flying there just because, no?).. Either way, I can very easily say that our decision (of my group) to have multiple people participate in the MSQ (and thus become Warrior of Light) is again a free arbitrary choice just as the one we took with WHM's quests and just as the one a lot of us took in deciding our character is native of Eorzea. Again it all goes back to "if it doesn't hurt you, there is no point telling someone what they can't do". Maybe it hurts your sensibility, just walk away. It hurts my sensibility to see people RPing kisses or sex or talk of sex, but you don't see me here telling everyone to stahp, do you? I hope I don't get banned for daring saying this, but trying to impose your rules on people you can just choose not to interact with is not so different from all those people who bash on who doesn't follow their religion, diet, or sexual orientation. I try to look at it this way at least, when I decide my words to use with someone who has different tastes than my own. It helps me open my eyes a lot.

They said there is only one white mage (you), but there isn't just one Warrior of Light. The Warriors of Light are them who all received Hydaelyn's Call. Your character only happens to be the one that the "camera" follows and of whom the story is told. Let's take a look at who received the Call... And to go back to white mage, just as there can be deliberate, arbitrary changes to your character's origins, there can be deliberate, arbitrary changes to how the white mage was come to be. It's called bending lore, not breaking it, and it is very well allowed by who should care (the characters involved, and you are not it). I'm going to give the example of how the WHMs in our group came to be: The original quest dialogue says that the Quieting has to be performed by three white mages, but the Hedgetree decides that you are to be the third white mage, to help the two padjals to perform the ritual. How we did it (as we had three conjurers at the time wanting to become white mages): The hedgetree decided no padjal was to take place in the Quieting this time. So Raya-O-Senna and her brother are to aid the three receivers of the soul stones to learn white magic and perform the quieting in their stead. And for any other wanna-be white mage that may step forward in our group, we will simply ICly have another Quieting ritual occur. The lore of the Quieting is not disrupted, the lore of how the soul stone is obtained is not disrupted. And we are all happy. It's as easy as as it is "My character was not from a foreign land. He was born in Ul'dah.". Why is it any different? And what role do you, outside RPer who isn't even involved in all this, have to decide what is here allowed to be made? I don't think any white mage is coming to you to tell you of the story of their coming-to-be. And if you ask them knowing it will likely annoy you because you think the job quests have no lore contribution whatsoever but are "just mechanics", then well, you are the one punching the bush of thorns, my friend.

I don't argue why you disregard it. I argue that you shouldn't use "lore" as a shield against those who don't disregard it. They are not breaking the lore, they are doing what the GM (the videogame) is telling them they can do. Use any other word, but not "lore" or "canon". That is unfair and makes people feel bad when they shouldn't. Common etiquette =/= What the game dictates/allows. Again, Lore =! Game mechanics. They've came out and said the Lightening Event wasn't Canon. There's no such thing as the Echo bonus in lore, etc etc. The devs are the Word of God. They write the lore, they tell us what to follow. It's that simple. Exactly, and they tell us that you can be any job you can unlock. To disregard what the NPCs and quests give us is, as you said, a decision you (the community) made, and not something the Devs imposed. As I've said before, the game also says we are not from Eorzea and that we should be new to all its customs (that's why NPCs always explain everything and act like we don't know anything beforehand when talking of any aspect of Eorzea). The moment you decide to not respect even this one line, you are breaking the lore. AND THAT'S FINE AND LEGIT. Because maybe you want to RP something else. So can we please stop telling others they are breaking the lore and we aren't? Cause that is a lie. You can look at it from any direction you want, but it is how it is. We cannot dictate that someone cannot be X job, because the game allows that. Simply walk away and move on if it bothers you that much, but don't go telling that person what they are doing is wrong. They are not. I'm probably breaking the lore more by RPing an icemancer (Jet'a is a black mage that only uses ice spells, though more elaborated, to compensate), than they are by RPing a White Mage. Seriously, not to brag or promote, but our RP group has multiple people of certain jobs, and we have also RPd job quests, and all of the participants manage to be happy at each other and what each of us decided to do with our jobs. There is never arguments of this sort. I really wish this harmony could be expanded and reach out to the "open world", but it's sad how impossible this seems to be because IT'S SO IMPORTANT THAT PEOPLE DON'T DO WHAT I DON'T ALLOW MY OWN CHARACTER TO DO...

I don't argue why you disregard it. I argue that you shouldn't use "lore" as a shield against those who don't disregard it. They are not breaking the lore, they are doing what the GM (the videogame) is telling them they can do. Use any other word, but not "lore" or "canon". That is unfair and makes people feel bad when they shouldn't. Common etiquette =/= What the game dictates/allows.

As a new player, I've found the discussion on the White Mage stuff very interesting, but I've been having difficulty finding explicit statements that'd conclude against players playing as one. I don't want to beat on the topic further either -- would someone be able to message me and point me towards the resources? The truth is the lore is not against the player playing as a white mage. There is a quest for it. Just as there are quests that say you are the WoL and other stuff. The majority of the RP community however decided to disregard that. As a MSQ RPer I say that the community's decision is FINE and legit, but nobody should use "lore" as a shield, because the very first break in the lore is to decide to not acknowledge that you are from outside of Eorzea, one of the Warriors of Light, and a White Mage. The lore is what the game provides, not what the RP community decides. So please, let us stop using lore as a weapon for jobs, because it is utterly wrong. I am not breaking the lore by playing X job, I am breaking your personal approach at it, your own version of the lore, which is way different from the game's. I am doing something you, and perhaps the majority of the community, don't like, not something the game doesn't allow. To give my final word in this thread, my RP group has three (or four? I forget) IC white mages as of now and several dragoons and other things (we just don't really make a big deal of it, as how someone fights in a group of fighters is not that much relevant). If you ever want to RP as a job and are looking for like-minded people, look us up. You don't have to RP the MSQ with us if you don't want to, we're very open to just do social RP as well (and we won't make mention of MSQ during it). *Raises the shield of peace, forecasting flames and hellfire*

Nice answers so far, though let us try and keep this light-hearted and IC. This is not a spin-off game of the "lore-bending / lore-griefing / OOC bleeding on lore" threads. I was just genuinely amused by the video and thought that maybe even our characters have things they hear way too often!

Inspired from this Buzzfeed video: What is YOUR character tired of hearing? I will start! Jet'a Vann is tired of hearing: Reply: Edit: Maybe I should've used "dress" instead of "wear". My bad, English is not my motherlanguage >_

When SE released the mail moogle quest that revealed the lore around Keeper Males, I was very pissed. I had built all of Jet'a and Blue's plots into the belief that Keeper's society worked as an amazon matriarchate, where males simply had the reversed role of women in patriarchal families (similar to the Mithran society in FFXI). So Jet'a and the males of the family were forbidden from going to hunt, using weapons, and the like, instead helping at the camp with leatherworking, cooking and carpentry. The superiority of females was and still is a big thing for Jet'a, which is basically the pillar of how all of his behavior works. And I like his character. So, when the lore bomb fell (great timing on that SE, btw), I said fuck it and decided to not retcon anything. The Vann family still works how I had described it back in 2013, and other Keeper families can suck it and call them odd ducks if they want. I'm not erasing my character because of one pathetic side quest.

I completely agree with this. There is always room for exceptions in the universe of Eorzea. I mean, look at Lucia. Had she been a RPer instead of an NPC, how much bashing would she have received for claiming to be Ishgardian? Or in the Temple Knights? Ew no, Ishgard would never accept a Garlean! I understand that there is a general etiquette of "everyone wants to be special, so no one can be special" among the RP community, but not everyone is going to comply to that, and we have to accept it. The grief towards RPers who are not "perfectly normal" in every singular aspect of their IC background, appearance, behavior, occupation, whatchamacallit is completely unjustified and I dislike it even more when people use IC dialogues to point out at it. I have been ICly yelled at for being inside the Quicksands as a commoner because the guy said "it was for adventurers only", and that even though I was there to HIRE adventurers, he told me I was supposed to assign my pledge to the Leve counter and leave. Yeah right, how am I even supposed to do that? It's not like I can actually leave a banner on the counter for people to see and get back to me. "Do it on the forums." And cut out the majority of RPers? Only an abysmal part of us uses these boards, or any boards. But yeah, all in all, there is a thousand things I could point out ICly that I find wrong (non-virgin spouses marrying in white dress, guests at weddings wearing wedding dresses themselves, or even just couples marrying after only weeks or months of relationship, just to bring up one single topic (Eternal Bonding) ), but would I bring it up ICly with them? No. Why? Because if someone did that to me I'd find that terribly annoying and pedantic. Don't treat others the way you don't want to be treated. It couldn't be any easier than that. EDIT: It took me a bit to think of the right metaphor, but in the end, to be "the perfect RP character" is much like being "beach body ready". The truth is, there is no beach body ready, and there is no perfect RP character. Whether you are fat or thin, or super lore restricted or more "lore exceptional", there is always someone who will criticize you. There is always something you are doing that someone else will not like, so let us avoid run our mouth on others, especially IC, thinking that we are better in our choices for our character than they are. "Have you seen how fat she is? And she comes at the beach? She should be ashamed." "Oh Gods, look at how thin she is, and she comes at the beach. She's calling for attention sooo bad." The only requirement to be beach body ready is to be at the beach. The only requirement to be a roleplayer is to roleplay.

I'm not the first one to say this, but I think the way the lore introduces it, Dark Knight is closest to the Spanish Inquisition than it is to Batman. Batman is a vigilante, a private, and unknown individual who acts with the acceptance, but not necessarily the title, of the actual authorities (and as such, is not tutelated by the institutions, and in some countries would even be seen as a criminal himself, here in Italy for example vigilantes are forbidden). Dark Knight the way it is explained instead seems to be an actual body of the forces of Ishgard, instituted by the Holy See and expected to do their job whatever their personal feelings may be, and who do not respond for their actions in person, but rather act in the name of the Archbishop. So in short, yes, I plan my DRK (an entirely new characteR) to respect the lore we were given, but no, I'm not signing up to be Batman, because that is not what Dark Knight is.

I'd love this concept. The "Looking for Contracts" list didn't seem fitting for my FC, as it's not a company looking for hiring per se (it's an orphanage), and it didn't seem to have any real sorting. Nonethless I'd love something that allowed me to find specific facilities and to also display mine for all of them wanna-be parents. A list divided by categories would be great. Point me at it and I'll run to submit our entry.

I've never used reddit to be honest. I have seen some pages, but they looked so messy and difficult to follow. I just cannot adapt to that kind of format. As for experience, I have graduated at a vocational secondary school of agricolture. I have never taken care of milking animals in-practice (I went for horse training as a profession instead), but I do have some theory background. And yes, I was thinking of a light, fenced shelter for the milking. Calves would be sold for meat after two years of age, as a milk production is based mostly on female subjects. As for riding, yes, I was thinking to either use a chocobo or a warwolf (that'd work as a shepherd dog of sorts, along with that?). The ideal would be to ride a buffalo, but sadly we have no mount yet for that bummer...

I'll start off with my case: I would like to ICly establish a dairy with livestock that would be herded in the open during the dry season to then be housed in an IC shelter of sorts for the milking during the milking season (following the model of Bedouin shepherds, who wander as nomads to then return to a common building to milk their herds and sell it fresh, to then leave again). I have been searching as of what kinds of milk are there in-game, and it seems Aldgoats and Buffaloes are the most common sources of milk. However, our FC is settled in the Mist, so I'm more leaning towards rearing buffaloes in my dairy. They are pretty huge, so how would you proceed to shepherd and house these big beasts?

I guess, good for me for not planning to have either of my Au Ras kissing anyone? It's a fantasy universe, there will be ways to get around things that make no sense, as usual. Should I post that no one should use flying chococbos because their wings/body proportions would not enabled them to fly IRL? I don't think I should, I'll just not use a chocobo as a flying mount; no need to make the decision for the others too, you know? EDIT: To make a clearer example, if you were a person who hated lasagna, would you walk into a restaurant, approach a table where someone is eating lasagna, and tell them "THIS. This is disgusting food! How can you cope with eating that!?". I think you would not.

And, new entry!

Pretty much anything from Hans Zimmer is pure gold to me. As for videogames, Akira Yamaoka and Nobuo Uematsu are my favorite, though I've been liking Uematsu's tracks less since the transition from Squaresoft to Square Enix. I've heard his stuff in Last Story though and it's definitely a return to the golden era of his music to me. Above all, I consider FFIX's OST is best work yet, with You're Not Alone, Immoral Melody, Evil Messenger (Rock arrangement of Immoral Melody), and Assault of the White Dragons as his best tracks. Another videogame of which music I consider a key core and that I find very pleasant is the Wild Arms series, WA3 in particular. Here's the link to the playlist: As for my favorite track in the game, it's certainly the one that plays at the end of the four prologues, Flying in the Midst of the Storm.

Also from FFXI (Kenjii/Roy/Kjara is me, Avina/Burald is Blade, Draenen is Kara, Kirious is X'elo)

This, yes. I've been doing this the past year before my LS RP activity became too intense and I had to abandon open RP. Creating "RP quests" is a great way to have adventurous roleplay with strangers. However know that not everyone will respond positively to this. I still remember that guy who, upon hearing that my character was looking for her lost child, just told her to leave a petition at the Leve Counter ("someone will pick it up eventually") and to scram out of the adventurers' guild because civilians like her were not allowed. It broke my heart IC and OOC because I thought hiring adventurers was always a great way to break the ice with strangers. If you stumble on this kind of people, don't let them discourage you!

Classics never die

Looking at the names of the characters in the Ninja quests, the Raen conventions seem to be Japanese First Name + English surname composed of two words (adjective+noun/noun+verber), and somewhat related to the first name's meaning in Japanese. My doubt is: are the surnames decided at birth, and SE just made puns by foreshadowing the characters' nature through them? Or are they sort of "titles", that the Doman gain after achieving/becoming famous for certain things, and possibly affected to changes? I mean, in the case of Karasu Redbeak, the 'red' is referring to the blood that he has spilled in his betryal to Doma. Obviously, his parents couldn't know he'd do that when he was born, so did he gain the "Redbeak" surname only after doing the evil deed? Who knows. For now, the tentative name for my Raen will be Aki Rainfall (Aki means "autumn", and autumn is rainy). But I'll be waiting to make sure to know how Doman surnames are gained by lore.